tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45164336338683231432024-03-15T18:12:31.009-07:00OTHERCHELEBI'S TRAVELSOtherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-24549179211769487822024-02-21T05:08:00.000-08:002024-02-21T05:24:31.864-08:00RENEGING ON MY WORD<p><br /></p><p>THUS I RENEGE (not refute as John Collier wrote)</p><p><br /></p><p>I told readers of my other blog, ahmetcafercelebiler.blogspot.com , that I had reached the end of my story.</p><p>But I realize now that I have more tid bits, ideas, colletions and recollection, perspectives brewing inside, despite the smaller and less active brain area and the fewer memory cells subject to climate change, to put it politely.</p><p>Most of my current travels occur in my sleep, as epic dreams not necessarily worthy of waste of decreasing capacity let alone narration. </p><p>Yet, I can still daydream of having probably very short conversations with Marcus Aurelius, Sextus Empiricus, Samuel Beckett and a longer one with my also deceased uncle Asaf Halet Celebi and his followers on the 7:40 commuter ferry from Beylerbeyi to the Galata Bridge. The people and the landings are fortunately fresh in my past vision even if the people are not as vivid as the clothes they wore. The boats and the people are still around, with different schedules, different hues and alternative views of life.</p><p>I had not yet read Robert Frost and could pick and choose many different roads and paths from home to ferry and from either/both to uncle and back. </p><p>The ice cream of that time came in tiny amounts of each of the three flavours, vanilla, sour cherry and lemon from the small wood like container occasionally brought up the hill by a middle aged ( very old, I thought) man who ruled his empire with my and other children's coins. A time bereft of paper notes but rich in dreams and empires</p><p><br /></p><p>Ahmet Cafer Celebiler</p><p>February 21, 2024</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-59135831479763506692024-02-11T01:10:00.000-08:002024-02-11T02:50:02.106-08:00<p> Montpellier To Carcassone</p><p><br /></p><p>An uneventful drive including a stop at an almost deserted beach, to satisfy urges of leaking body parts behind large trash collectors which possibly had other purposes. </p><p>Other small towns visited and then forgotten by the somewhat inoperative mind and memory. But Carcassone was different. So was our lodging, the two bedroom ground floor of a villa amongst hues of green with always 28 C swimming pool, within reach of Eser only, fully stocked, especially after a visit to a not so distant supermarket, and far away from other hills which provided our view. Could have stayed longer than the two nights. Eser went to walk the medieval city. Together we searched for immemorable restaurants which, yet, provided the delight of freedom and the new and different. </p><p>I could still drive to Aix en Provence after the decision to give Toulouse a miss to rest my walking shoes.</p><p>A terrible B&B in the seductive town of Aix en Provence allowed some access to a few (some real and some imaginary) promenades, until we had to leave for a Marseilles airport hotel not planned but needed to smooth over the kinks of our last day. </p><p>Definitely back in Turkey with a few months to spare for some time at Nicaea, and doctor visits and lab tests which looked good though feeling stressful in istanbul. Where this is narrated three days before Eser leaves me in the capable hands of our caretaker to visit the Chicago family for two weeks and a day to accompany them for a week at Cancun, another not so memorable but beachy town accompanied by sharks, and visitable but usually not visited antique sites.</p><p> Will i dare to drive to Nicae in Eser's absence? or just continue to eat this season's tangerines to prepare for the plums to come in two months and cherries in May? </p><p>Simple but thoughtful questions for the new and simpler mind.</p><p><br /></p><p>Ahmet C. Celebiler</p><p>February 11, 2024</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-10517133158742217012023-09-11T10:35:00.005-07:002024-02-23T10:25:02.501-08:00 TRAVEL NOT, YEE THE MENTALLY RETIRED<p> </p><p>Travel, Time, Control and some other Limitations</p><p>First Part of Istanbul-Marseille-Montpellie-Carcassonne-Aix En Provence</p><p><br /></p><p>used to be</p><p>price was value </p><p>was space </p><p>and matresses </p><p>even with sheets</p><p>a false desk of metal</p><p>browned </p><p>to fit the sag of the bed</p><p>sharp edges of un-closing drawers</p><p>calling child services if Montpelier retains them. </p><p><br /></p><p>travel by tram </p><p>do not have des valise</p><p>eat only halal food </p><p>except when neither tram nor food</p><p>is halal for the compassion bound</p><p><br /></p><p>Hotel Royal ou Rosillion </p><p>a way station </p><p>with fine keepers</p><p>but</p><p>soon to be forgotten</p><p>premises</p><p>even when they say</p><p>you will have salmon and charcuterie</p><p>for a breakfast for the lazy to start the real</p><p>and fancy day </p><p>and adorning late memories of a late leavers</p><p>driving a vey modern Audi chariot</p><p>that the rental man told my woman was the latest</p><p>and horribly cheap carbon emission vehicle</p><p>on roads, at Sixt or even Styx</p><p><br /></p><p>All this after less than a day of depressing luxury </p><p>handicapped service </p><p>and</p><p>mapless and hapless navigation</p><p>leading to centre de ville</p><p>with its atypical presence of homeless</p><p>eight minute walks charged twenty four </p><p>by helpfull, gracious, smiling taxi driver</p><p>explaining the evils of city centers</p><p><br /></p><p>at attested by the halal kabab</p><p>hamburger</p><p>sabdwich</p><p>pizza</p><p>restaurants</p><p>owners having lost their taste in other humans</p><p>as well as food and tired clientelle.</p><p><br /></p><p>received phone call from Eser</p><p>having a glass of the forbidden stuff</p><p>in red</p><p>to reflect my ire</p><p>at the Comedie Square</p><p>only .five minutes</p><p>of impossible walk from my royal abode</p><p>while I write this depressing narrative.</p><p><br /></p><p>Ahmet 7:40 PM Monday</p><p>September 11, 2023</p><p>Two days after a day to be forgotten</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-62647729716245188672023-05-16T06:05:00.004-07:002023-05-16T06:05:50.217-07:00AGING AS AGING<p><br /></p><p>At Almost Eighty</p><p>Recuperation, Declination, Deliberation and Respiration</p><p><br /></p><p>Can i dare to place a limit</p><p>Is it an age?</p><p>or a state of mind?</p><p>Mine or just that of others?</p><p><br /></p><p>Who decides, enough is enough?</p><p>spouse, children?</p><p>when intellect becomes insult</p><p>when perception is a nightmare</p><p>climate becomes only temperature</p><p>of feelings</p><p>and attitude</p><p>using heat and cold</p><p>mockery and demands</p><p>life remains short</p><p>nay, shorter</p><p>than a few days to visit a Spring house and </p><p>cats and flowers </p><p>and grass </p><p>that smell like me after rain and mowing</p><p>but for so little</p><p>so memorable</p><p>a fortune </p><p>to hope </p><p>found too much for this age</p><p><span style="color: initial;">that only real family deserves</span></p><p><span style="color: initial;">and the age may not hope or enjoy</span></p><p><span style="color: initial;">with so much joy in its past</span></p><p><span style="color: initial;">none of which carry forward </span></p><p><span style="color: initial;">below the TOTAL line</span></p><p><span style="color: initial;">which has only numbers</span></p><p><span style="color: initial;">undecipherable</span></p><p>even if its ink </p><p>and meaning </p><p>have not disappered</p><p><br /></p><p>Ahmet C.Celebiler </p><p>May 16, 2023</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: initial;"><br /></span></p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-12161015880446421652023-04-11T10:39:00.001-07:002023-04-15T12:55:58.786-07:00RETURNING IS NEVER A MUNDANE ATTEMPT<p> </p><p>We took off from the border point between Alessandroupolis and Ipsala towards a village with a master cheff and eventually to the worst possible route to any large city in the world. Whoever managed to hide Istanbul through and behind multiple four and six lane interchanges, bridges, under and over passes interspersed with side roads to ugly shopping malls, un-earthquakeworthy blocks of buildings with undecipherable funtions. and a surplus of traffic of vehicles whose drivers possibly had some idea where and why they were driving to their targets.</p><p>Yet, it was all fun in the beginning. The stand alone rural home just before the town of Malkara wihich advertised food provided almost as good food at any restaurant we ate on the whole trip. There was roasted kid (not the human kind) great fresh salad with better tomatoes that we could find in Greece and the soft goat cheese were all excellent. The owner was originally from Bulgaria, seeming like a really tough lady who managed to control not only the man who was helping her but also four feral dogs who were hungry enough to gorge themselves on the fresh baked village bread slightly dipped in roast or even salad sauce.</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-8538937380921037452023-04-05T11:36:00.002-07:002023-04-15T12:52:45.860-07:00THE THIRD DAY, XANTHI<p> XANTHI</p><p>After spending our first day at Alexandroupoli checking in , casing the joint, resting, it was time for our next adventure. The name of the town, Xanthi, always bought to my mind the fantasy world of Piers Anthony, and I have wanted to visit the town and the region in the hope that I may meet some fabulous creatures and become a part of their lives.</p><p>We drove about one hour to get to the town which did not resemble the real Xanth, but was still exotic with old buildings, old streets, old pavements, old and new cafes and restaurants, churches and mosques and even a few parking possibilities for the wanderers.</p><p>Our first priority was to find The Museum of Shadows. A small three or four room house where the artist displayed his creations made from junk and their fabulous shadows on the walls which were most definitely not shadows of junk.</p><p>Here was an intelligent, wise and artistic man who was ready to proudly talk about his works worthy of the real Xanth.</p><p>We may not have become a part of his life but he joined the other producers of beauty and meaning we have been storing in our memories</p><p>There was rain. There was no ticket on the windshield possibly due to various invisible talismans we hung on perpetual invisible hooks. The route to the restaurant we had picked was deciphered with Eser at the wheel and no other helping angel.</p><p>We enjoyed the short drive through narrow streets lined with fairy tale homes, cul de sacs, finally deiding that we should be close to Palaia Polis which lacks a Michelin star because of a curse , making a star of its own in vengeance. Good food does not need stars but appreciating palates. </p><p>Finding the hidden eatery and entering its jovial atmosphere joined with the shadow museum and the house and the streets to make our double attempt to enter Greece worth more than we hoped.</p><p>The retail price on their excellent local wine was good enough for us to sneak in a few bottles in our suitcases.</p><p>It was a tiring day for me, so we decided that we would not stay in Greece for our final planned day for a visit to Kavala or Komotini. It is always a good idea to leave something for a future trip.</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-55529837999344320572023-04-04T12:31:00.003-07:002023-04-07T09:14:14.200-07:00ALEXANDROUPOLI (DEDEAGAC) IS NOT A REGION OF XANTH<p> </p><p>It has been some time since we crossed national borders.There is something falsely exciting about entering another country. The excitement disappears with the rude, or in the best case, bureaucratically matter of fact welcome you are given by the guards of unjoyful and not so precious organic and inorganic matter that lie on the other side of the imaginary line of demarcation.</p><p>And if you are required to repeat the process, as we did, entering Greece, on the second and then again on the third of April, after joking with clenched teeth that would it be that we were subjected to a late April 1 approach that the Greek border personnel like to apply on April 2.</p><p>Actually, Eser and I did find it funny untill the passport officer ran out of his confinement, waving our passports and shouting that he told us to use the lane with possibly hundreds of vehicles trying to face a similar welcome and which would think that the people who were pleading for them to back up a hundred meters or so were either insane or trying a dirty trick to take their places in the queue. It took some time for Eser to waive her arms and legs, while showing off the wonders of her support bra, to convince the fifty two drivers to show their good taste and compassion and pull back or to a side to allow us a final royal passage between strangely more friendly sixteen or more wheelers. there were no cheers of support from anyone, and neither were pitying looks, It was all matter of fact. Not anything to discuss with friends or enemies.</p><p>Getting to the border was fun and games. I wished to give some friendly extra time to my faltering legs and spoilt out of kilter digestive system, by leaving our home one day early and arranging a hotel at Gallipoli of the famous WW1battles, where the blood of possibly around one million soldiers with very different DNA and blood types irrigated the ground for a totally futile purpose. Nobody won the battles and no special farming products grew in that blood-saturated land.</p><p>Our hotel was by the sea at the beginning of the Dardannels, with beach (rather useless on Aprilone), a nice promenade with tea and beer gardens and the one glorious restaurant we crawled into, to the non existent arms of a large sea bass which had been waiting for us only a very short time. It was more than enough, fresh, cooked pefectly and cost us only $30. the hotel was a Hampton Inn, which, together with her other family members suddenly appeared all over Turkey. </p><p>It was a long way to the war memorials and the official grave sites, so our rest in the room and Eser's walk on the promenade was not an insult to the armies which probably fought very valiantly and stupidly under fear of death(!)</p><p>After our retreat from the Greek border, we were directed to a hotel not known by any of the lodging sites but by a young waitress at a chicken fast food restaurant at Kesan, which promised better possibilities than the border town of Ipsala. The hotel was much better than any of the city hotels, reasonably priced and adjacent to a small shopping mall, which was open till ten PM on this Sunday. .Not having much to do, Eser decided to check some of the shops instead of caring for my aching legs and waist. She came back with two blue jeans and some underwear for both of us and prodded me to join her on another expedition to support the merchants of the mall where there were no sales or special items but a feeling that you had to buy.</p><p>I blame the Bali massage we both received at the spa center of this hotel by two probably Thai girls who had the agility to crawl over you with their knobby knees and elbows. This put us in the mood for shopping.</p><p><br /></p><p>THE NEXT DAY</p><p>Passing the border, on Monday when the visa kicked in, was a cinch. All border guards and police had lost interest in our new, but right rear door damaged 4 WD Nissan Qashqai, and the now familiar faces looking bored through the car windows.</p><p>We drove to Alexandra Beach and Spa hotel quickly to be awarded with an upgrade to a handicapped room, larger, with a garden view and an exercise trek of a torture corridor that Eser decided was good for me. She thinks that walking long distances will cure all the different types of arthritis and bone loss on my still rather shapely legs that abhor the need to carry the pear shaped body and the still able to think mind.</p><p>The hotel met our expectations in terms of facilities, surpassed them in terms of friendliness of staff but did not meet minimum requirements of easy access to room or to a location for a massage which was also priced quite a bit higher than our previous hotel.</p><p>Our table D'hote menu was excellent although it eventually caused some stomach pain which we could fight with three types of pills to be chewed and ingested.</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-38490920309081425342023-02-24T14:11:00.000-08:002023-02-24T14:11:01.245-08:00<br />
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OC - I beg that neither you nor Eser visits the UK in a heat wave. <br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />You will never survive.</div>
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OC, thank you for this entertaining trip report, sorry to hear about your accommodation disasters and the heat. Your comments about crossing the street remind me of my experience when I moved to Australia. I was used to the Finn style where everyone waits politely for people to cross the street here in Vancouver, in Sydney cars would rev their engines and speed up from a block away when you stepped out into the crossing.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We were just in Helsinki in late June, only had one day unfortunately because we were on a Baltic cruise but we enjoyed the market by the harbour, saw a couple of cathedrals, took the ferry to Suomelinna island and had a delicious lunch at Restaurant Aino on the street alongside the big park in the shopping area: Pohjoisesplanadi I believe is the street. It was a lovely Scandi decor, very simple and a limited menu but all Finnish specialties. My husband had the creamy salmon soup, I had the best vegetable soup ever, it was a large bowl with very fresh tender spring vegetables, the server then poured a creamy broth over the top, accompanied by some delicious crusty rye bread and the Summer Ale it was perfect. We shared a trio of house made gelato, again taste explosion. A very sweet waitress. I found the Finns a slight bit more aloof than the Danes.</div>
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I think I will give other Scandinavian countries a miss, at least for a Summer visit. Paraphrasing the doctor in the film "Adam's Apples" I will not visit a place that scorches when it is supposed to be cool."<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />And on that subject, Eser and I decided that the Finns, never needing warm weather clothes, opened old trunks of WW II, Swedish and Russian occupation rags and wore those during the last heat wave.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />For foot wear, there were cross country training roller skaters, a few cheap black grey and white sneakers, lots of slippers, sandals, tongs and babettes ( last two worn by hikers as well). The men either wore sandals or ugly black work shoes. Nary an American or Italian loafer, a French Mephisto or Nike, Merrell. Did not even see a Gucci or Rossetti store. <br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Women of all ages wore colourless and shapeless dresses , many also displaying leggings and tights which they probably forgot to remove after the cold weather. However there was no fur or mittens in sight.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We refused to eat reindeer because both of us are totally against hunting.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Sunday, driving to Turku was not too bad despite the many road works which reduced speed to 50, 60 or 80 K/Hr. Otherwise it was 100 or 120k, with most traffic moving slightly over the speed limit.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We found Turku quite pleasant, reminding us of some small French towns in a way. Ate some stuff at a rated restaurant which we immediately released from our memory except for the price.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Since we left Turku rather early, we decided to visit some green and watery towns on the way, briefly visiting Loja. It was a good idea, gave Eser a chance to stick her feet in the larger lake and take some photographs of the large DJ playing decent music with large ugly black equipment on the beach, unfortunately from behind.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />.</div>
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Sorry, but it is unlikely in the extreme that the reindeer in question was hunted. Reindeer herding is practised by both Sami and Finns, and reindeer meat is a normal part of the diet.</div>
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Oh OC, you are cracking me up. I noticed that about the dress sense there, I think they just don't care about it. On the other hand if you want eye candy- go to Copenhagen. The four of us couldn't stop remarking on how attractive both sexes were-of all ages, not just young people. Absolutely the best looking people on our whole trip. Nicely dressed too in a simple elegant way, well groomed, natural, the women did not all have that fake "barbie meets Kardashian" look with fake nails, hair, boobs etc and too much makeup, they didn't need it with the bone structure they have and those eyes. And the men, well let's just say if I become single that's where I will be headed.</div>
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kja, I will try to find your trip report and read it.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />both Eser and I are observers of people, their looks, smiles, eyes, body language. Although Eser does, I do not like museums with objects strung along, the only memory I carry of all the paintings, cabinets, frescos, four posters, baths, dungeons, etc, is the warning, "Do Not Touch"<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />On the other hand, I do not have to pay to try to understand gestures, mysterious or melancholy looks, sneers, laughter or sorrow on all types of faces matching or mismatching very different bodies.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I wanted to check a ladies underwear department in a store to see if they carried support bras but Eser would not let me. <br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We had good sausages and the apparently famous tomato soup with a large piece of grilled salmon. Liked them better than the expensive non-descript tasteless stuff. The problem was that no matter what we drank the heat would not go away. Eser swam at 9:30 PM with another hour of sunlight left, after sliding on a board and sitting in a few inches of water not far from two skinny dipping lads. Serves her right, although she said sje did not notice them (properly?)<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We also checked the route to the Viking Line ferry for which we had paid $94 return for both of us on the net. Saw the 24 hour parking, could not decipher the writing, did not see any parkomats and decided very wrongly that it was free<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Tomorrow ferries and Tallinn.</div>
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raincity girl, thank you for your interest and remarks. Did you know that there is a Barbie museum in Helsinki with lots of Kardashian weight local visitors.</div>
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Originally Posted by <span style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">otherchelebi</span> <a href="https://www.fodors.com/community/europe/finns-in-finlandia-cannot-handle-a-hot-summer-1655881/#post16765836" rel="nofollow" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: "Playfair+Display", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: inherit;"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="https://www.fodors.com/community/images/buttons/viewpost.gif" style="border: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: none; vertical-align: middle;" title="View Post" /></a></div>
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kja, I will try to find your trip report</div>
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No trip report -- my visit to Helsinki was long ago.</div>
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We left our hotel at 8 AM to get to ferry early, just in case. We found space at 24 hr, parking. Looked around in the large area and at entrances and exits but did not find any ticket parking machines, decided that the ferry line had a deal with the city which allowed free parking for passengers. The mind is a strange equipment, able to make unusual, nonsensical or even stupid associations and coming up with irrational results.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We spent almost two hours under intense heat in the crowded waiting lounge for 10:15 embarkation to our 10:30 trip. There were people with heat stroke and claustrophobia who were guzzling beer in order to survive under the circumstances. I just pondered on the evils of modern life and yearned for the Finnish countryside.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The huge boat had lots of different types of seating but only 13 chairs with backs high enough to rest one's head, and they were naturally occupied by the time we managed to puff our way up the stairs. The new slot machines were all inundated with small kids who may have had fake IDs saying they were 18.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We just had some of that same Finnish coffee which we generally liked, and did not feel hungry enough to munch on each other's nerves.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We waited for the crowds to thin before abandoning our seats and walked out among the stragglers, reaching a very long line for taxis. The web had warned me of shady taxis and suggested we take specific brands.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Next, we get pounced on by other type of crooked transporters.</div>
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Somehow OC I missed the Barbie museum! lol, must Google that. Can't wait to see what you think of Tallinn. We all felt it was a victim of it's own cuteness...slammed with people wall to wall. Yes it has some very charming buildings but it wasn't our favourite. We had a pretty good lunch at the Peppersack which our guide in St.Petersburg had recommended. It was unfortunately one of those places where they make the waitstaff wear period costumes and our waiter had the misfortune of also having the awkward but sweet demeanour of Napoleon Dynamite. The cheese platter and the meat platter with lots of different types of herring were both really good. The soups and everything else were so so.</div>
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Just as I was wondering whether we should try to walk to Old Town Tallinn and then sit somewhere comfortable while Eser did the sightseeing, or join the long taxi queue, a strong looking young man approached us and said he could pedal us to the old town for 35 Euro on a three wheel tuk tuk like bicycle. Having read that a taxi usually costs 8-18 Euro, I said No. He reduced price to 25. I said No again; he then said, he could not do it for less but the young kid he brought to me would do it for 15. I asked the kid himself and he replied Yeah. So we boarded the uncomfortable contraption and suffered a dizzying ride on crowded pavements, managing to stay on board through sheer will power.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The ride was so wobbly and swirvy that I could observe very little of what the city looked like between the ferry landing and the old town.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />When we got to an entrance to the old town, I figured I would pay something extra to the strong young man and gave him a 20 Euro note and was about to say he could keep the change when he said I must give him 10 more because the price he quoted was per person and it was written in Estonian at the inner side of his tuk tuk. I felt like arguing, Eser tried to pull me off, other tuk tuk drivers drifted closer and finally I gave the boy the additional 10 Euro while telling him that thieves and liars like him would be carrying passengers on bicycles all their lives since he was too stupid and evil to ever succeed in school or any other profession. An older Estonian came to us and offered some consolation by saying, " I am deeply sorry for what happened, please do not think that all Estonia and Estonians are like that." We thanked him and with the adrenaline flowing at maximum output, I walked along most of the streets of the Old Town for about three hours without stopping even for water or coffee, taking photographs with the Canon which managed to gain weight as we went through the throngs of tourists most of whom fortunately stayed on the main routes, alowing us peace and quiet on most of the streets we trod.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Some impressions about Tallinn old town :<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- there are no steep hills<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- most of the time, you can avoid the tiring cobble stones by walking on easier pavements.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- You can come across some interesting courtyards if you are willing to disregard people's privacy or realize that the courtyard actually houses a cafe of restaurant.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- there was absolutely no hard sell and nobody tried to pull you into their restaurant or shop.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- there were very few souvenir shops and very little to take back with you.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- there were very few other types of shops.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- the best looking courtyard restaurant was Indian.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- The walls of the town, mostly built over with houses and other structures, were not exciting.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- The cloister of a monastery was the most interesting religious area we saw.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- People did not look very happy in general. It was only later in the cab that we discovered they had the same background as the Finns.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- There were no loud speakers anywhere except for the Japanese tourists.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We finally settled for a very cute and expensive looking restaurant with tasteful flowery outside seating between two buildings. CRU restaurant had slow but smiling <span class="skimlinks-unlinked" style="box-sizing: border-box;">service.As</span> short a menu as Helsinki restaurants and could actually have had a Finnish chef or a stand-in. Upon leaving the beautiful restaurant we immediately released the taste of the food in order to not contaminate our palates for future repasts. While memories of tuk tuk and food slowly disappeared in a vapor, we joyfully took a very comfortable Mercedes cab ride back to the Viking line ferry for 17 Euro, giving the driver 20 which cheered him up.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We were pleasantly surprised when we found out that we could embark on the ferry directly when we arrived forty minutes before departure,<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />This was a somewhat bigger ferry with live music in a bar and children's activities in one lounge area. Very pleasant cruise back<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />To be struck by parking ticket, Putin and Trump upon arrival in Helsinki at about 9 PM.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />.</div>
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Your report is depressing. If I had read this before my spontaneous journey I would have regretted purchasing tickets. It almost appears as if we were not even visiting the same cities in the same time frame.</div>
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fourfortravel, the trip was not really depressing.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We saw marvelous nature, a one of a kind church, the rock church and listened to a pianist play there, we observed two cultures which were totally new to us. <br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We totally enjoyed each other's company during our 4oth wedding anniversary. We laughed at our mishaps which cost us some money, but those things can happen anywhere.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Here are some nature photographs with absolutely no touching or photoshop :<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><img alt="" class="post_inline_image" id="inline0" src="https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fodors.com-vbulletin/2000x1124-1/img_0669_ef8eb4c63f4cf77d295133ccb2a7e8e14fdb6bb6.jpg" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: 100%; vertical-align: middle;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><img alt="" class="post_inline_image" id="inline1" src="https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fodors.com-vbulletin/2000x1124-1/img_0705_60ae31bec0c39fe5e908273fcbfe6ea0b483ced5.jpg" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: 100%; vertical-align: middle;" /></div>
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I've noticed, too, what a difference the weather makes in how much I enjoy a place (and how much I'm able to do). Very much enjoyed the summary, now hoping for details. <br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Seems that Europe is getting hotter summers with every year although it is variable. I remember 5 years ago being very chilly in Paris and Normandy at the beginning of a mid-June trip and then hot in Paris at the end. <br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Hotels that were not designed for warm climates & don't have air conditioning are miserable when temperatures climb.</div>
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CLB - this is the first hot summer I can remember in Cornwall for about 10 years, and certainly the longest continuous hot spell for many years, probably back to '76. I agree that it is very variable, but I think what we can see is a general trend for hot temps to be hotter and cold temps to be colder.</div>
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Arriving back at Helsingi and leaving the ferry among the heavy loads of booze carrying Finns, we even offered a ride to a Turkish couple we met as we were leaving our seats. They said their hotel was near the train station and not that far, so would walk. They must have been farseers, or their rejection was due to the Viking god of mischief who had planned to give us some more trouble because of the posts I would eventually write.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We found our car with no trouble, intact but with a piece of paper stuck at the windshield. Immediately I discarded the hope that it was an invitation to an erotic escapade as was our experience in Las Vegas some years ago. It was a parking fine for 60 Euros and did not provide free entry to any museums.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I figured we would have to pay the car rental agency and put the thought away, concentrating on my co-pilot's instructions, driving on the mostly empty streets, commenting that Trump and Putin must have scared everyone away from the outskirts of Helsinki or gathered them (forcefully) in central Helsinki. Little did we know!!!!!!<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Five minutes of driving on almost empty streets, I saw a batch of red lights on a road ahead, wondering where they were going. Before I could tell Eser, her evil google directed me to line up behind the unmoving red lights which turned out to be stops of two lane of cars stretching to a curve about a quarter mile in the distance. <br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We were the last car after a set of traffic lights with new arrivals waiting back so as not to block the intersection. But a car or two somehow managed to leave th queue a few hundred yards ahead and we moved forward resulting in two cars blocking my rear escape route. We waited what seemed like thirty minutes or so at 9:30 PM on a route that lead to a parkway in abandoned Helsinki, Then, I decided to take the matter into my own hands, managed to make a u-turn over the tram tracks, managing to avoid various concrete hurdles the authorities had placed to block my way.</div>
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Thanks annhig, I am using all the tricks of the trade to draw more readers and may even be rewarded by some who give up their lurking profession.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Which reminds me to thank CLBtravel.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Here's a reward from me to my trusted followers<img alt="" border="0" class="inlineimg" src="https://www.fodors.com/community/images/smilies/imported/bat_png.gif" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: none; vertical-align: middle;" title="Imported" />img]https://cimg5.<span class="skimlinks-unlinked" style="box-sizing: border-box;">ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fodors.com-vbulletin/2000x1124-1/img_0685_e917ab947a320a77c4f824053c316a045897373a</span>. jpg[/img]<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><img alt="" class="post_inline_image" id="inline2" src="https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fodors.com-vbulletin/2000x1124-1/img_0294_50d93bc4a5065c92db39ad4ff8fc1ca01770e9c9.jpg" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: 100%; vertical-align: middle;" /></div>
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raincitygirl.....on our first visit to Copenhagen we passed a drunk lying on the sidewalk. My husband said:<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />even the bums are beautiful.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />OC...Hope you don't give up on Scandinavia....Denmark and Sweden are MUCH more fun.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />(Almost as much fun as Turkey... which I loved.)</div>
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Gwendolynn that's funny...and true! I have told several single acquaintances they should make all haste to Copenhagen. And yes I think OC should try Denmark and Sweden also.</div>
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Gwendolynn and raincitygirl, You are right. I was in Copenhagen in 1974 as a young man on the prowl, four years before I married, and again in 1983, also alone on business. I cannot remark on the men but the girls were definitely noticed. In Summer 1967, during a French language course in Grenoble, France, I had a very young Swedish girl friend. Four years ago she found me on the web and now we communicate through Eser's FB and Google plus.</div>
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We checked the infamous google again, after driving half a mile or so in the reverse direction and realized it was obstinately leading us back to the traffic jam. So, I started taking vatious streets which looked promising as possible routes out of town but was sabotaged by all the water surrounding Helsinki and with most of it without any bridges.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We were famished by that time and I had to find a place open at 10:30 (still light) before Eser's cannibalistic archetypical instincts kicked in. The area we were driving had no restaurants or cafes that we could see and then suddenly an oasis appeared in the horizon: A MacDonalds, in all its glory. Double quarter pounder meals it was for both of us.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />By the time we were finished, Trump and Putin protecting police who had missed out on all the traffic rule breakers had started going home, some stopping at Mac Donalds as evidence of the roads opening. Google worked fine now and although it sent us to the same street, this time around, there was barely any traffic on it. We were in our room in ten minutes.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Next Porvoo.</div>
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This thread seems to have run its course/ So I will continue with embellishments and photos on my blog.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Here's a summary of last two days :<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- The first hotel, sent a mail through <a class="skimlinks-unlinked" data-skim-creative="500005" data-skimwords-word="Booking.com" href="https://booking.com/" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: "Playfair+Display", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: inherit;" title="">Booking.com</a> that they would refund.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- Porvoo was not very exciting and may have been left out especially because of the roadworks on the route which made it rather long. I think we would prefer Loja to Porvoo.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- Came back to hotel and ate an indifferent dinner , so that Eser could swim some more and I could rest.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- Tried to catch the sunset through the trees and over a lake or sea, but were too early and could not just hang around some fabulous private homes in the Espo area.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />- The area between the Hilton and the Radisson is more scenic than Porvoo and even the Nuuksio Park.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The final day was another 90 minute drive to Nuuksio Nature Park. We made some stops on the way. The drive was pleasant and very scenic after branching from the Turku motorway.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We could not do even the two kilometer hike because of the heat, but did almost as much by doing the first few hundred meters of each path.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We paid $30 each to partake of the miserable food and drinks but comfortable seats at the Premium lounge at the airport. This turne to be a great idea because our flight was delayed over two hours because of storm over Istanbul.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />There were mishaps that we could laugh off.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />There was more than we expected in terms of sights and drives.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Staying at the Radisson at Espo was a great decision.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Including Tallinn gave us an introduction to another totally different culture.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We will never forget the Rock Church and its pianist.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We think that the five nights and almost six days we did was worth it.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Although 400 Euros above budget the total cost Euro 2,400, including Istanbul - Helsinki full economy return tickets, was reasonable.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />If we had stayed at first hotel and taken the Toyota Auris instead of the Range Rover, we would have been spot on budget.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />For travelers from far East, Down Under and the Americas, it may be a better idea to add some more stays to such a trip, like St. Petersburg, Riga and similar, to justify the long and more costly flights.</div>
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Great report otherchelebi! I've never been to Finland and don't know anyone who has, so this was an eye opener!<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I have been to Norway (twice - staying in Bergen) and Stockholm and loved both trips. But one was in the fall and the other trip in the spring (both times we had cold weather). The cost to eat out was extremely expensive!</div>
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I have occasionally met some Finnish people but never been there, nor to anywhere in Scandanavia come to that. I kid myself that i would be able to understand [if not speak] Danish and Swedish because of all the scandi-dramas I watch but I know I'd never manage Finnish. <br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />So thanks OC for taking me to somewhere I very much doubt I will ever visit!</div>
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Here are a few more photographs for those interested in visiting outside Helsinki.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />They are all from Nuuksio Nature park.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><img alt="" class="post_inline_image" id="inline3" src="https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fodors.com-vbulletin/2000x1124-1/img_0689_38b790bd67f08512e791bc1c8e5de25bfd9fe662.jpg" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: 100%; vertical-align: middle;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><img alt="" class="post_inline_image" id="inline4" src="https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fodors.com-vbulletin/2000x1124-1/img_0690_6586cca26bf16e02975bc45fb6afcb9ec7aac5e4.jpg" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: 100%; vertical-align: middle;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><img alt="" class="post_inline_image" id="inline5" src="https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fodors.com-vbulletin/2000x1124-1/img_0696_a8e2b4ec5dafac5b601bb9c35e04980a67110b5d.jpg" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: 100%; vertical-align: middle;" /></div>
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To truly understand Scandinavia, you have to watch the Norwegian comedy drama Hellfjord.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />A 75 year Norwegian gent introduces his new girlfriend to the village. A 25 year old stunning blond.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />“I’ve got an admission, I bought her on the internet, she used to be a prostitute”<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Nobody bats an eyelid.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />“She’s Finnish”<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Somebody spits their tea out and says “that’s disgusting!”</div>
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OC <br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />there’s lots of trees in your photos. Was there anything else to see?</div>
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It was not only trees. We also saw fowl including some wild looking ones.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><img alt="" class="post_inline_image" id="inline6" src="https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fodors.com-vbulletin/2000x1124-1/img_0692_4f53e1faedcd3857a8756dd2de9eb1dc4e51af10.jpg" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: 100%; vertical-align: middle;" /></div>
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The one on the right looks vicious.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Got a certain look in its eye.</div>
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I just realized that I have posted no pictures of the fabulous Rock Church. So, here is one :<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><img alt="" class="post_inline_image" id="inline7" src="https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fodors.com-vbulletin/2000x1124-1/img_0628_dcd8ca32763876c8342d63da2563a206b344580b.jpg" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: 100%; vertical-align: middle;" /></div>
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Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-12877091099487172602023-02-24T03:18:00.001-08:002023-02-24T04:35:56.351-08:00A POEM FOR ALL SLAVES<p> </p><p>A Tropical Heart</p><p>(a poem for those captured by slavers in far off lands and uncaring, ignorant humanity)</p><p>From Spectrum '64 Robert College studen literary publication, Istanbul</p><p><br /></p><p>redlessness of unsaturated love</p><p>breaks a froth through whistling lips</p><p>grips and lets go</p><p>yet</p><p>summer glowed</p><p>the bridegroom happily struggled</p><p>feathers floated down</p><p>and innocent stones were</p><p>but eggs of god</p><p><br /></p><p>screams muffled</p><p>high piercing wind broke rhrogh branches</p><p>growling of frogs stirred leaves</p><p>undoings</p><p>seperated the greatness</p><p><br /></p><p>a fat brown boy</p><p>who could not see his feet</p><p>wondered</p><p>danger quicksand</p><p><br /></p><p>cool shadows</p><p>danced on smooth waves</p><p>a sail of no colour</p><p>stumbled</p><p><br /></p><p>unexpectant eyes grew rigid</p><p>urgent cries</p><p>of no feeling</p><p>let hairs grow</p><p>and fall on shoulders</p><p>picked axes and sand</p><p><br /></p><p>an alligator was killed</p><p><br /></p><p>then came the boat</p><p><br /></p><p>not even a grain of sand left</p><p>hairs were made nests</p><p>blueness grew</p><p>we felt an earthquake</p><p><br /></p><p>ahmet Cafer Celebiler</p><p>January, 1964</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-79439607987976058612023-02-24T02:49:00.002-08:002023-02-24T02:49:54.442-08:00OTHER PEOPLE ALSO TRAVELED<p> </p><p><b><u>Sinbad and Others</u></b></p><p>The earliest travels </p><p>not recorded</p><p>but narrated</p><p>and remembered</p><p>on a large bird of prey</p><p>or a tiny boat waves making it sway</p><p>caravans coiling around hills and rocks</p><p>fear avoiding burial grounds</p><p>joy reaching other pilgrims</p><p><br /></p><p>highwaymen </p><p>to make spectators shout "Defense"</p><p>travelers gone</p><p>spectators gone </p><p><br /></p><p>highwaymen of the mind</p><p>symmetric</p><p>prosaic</p><p>with glee for </p><p>poetry mundane</p><p>lacking niceties</p><p><br /></p><p>and sisyphus</p><p>feasting on jujubes</p><p>and dreams of</p><p>marbles and dice </p><p>of all sizes </p><p>waiting to be pushed up</p><p>a mountain</p><p>or hill</p><p>or</p><p>knoll</p><p>all ready</p><p>to roll</p><p>to the dell</p><p>where they always dwell</p><p><br /></p><p>A.C.C. Feb 24, 2023</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-9839838258066905662022-10-18T04:46:00.004-07:002022-10-18T05:20:33.454-07:00PERSONAL MILLENIAL EXISTENCE<p> THE FOREVER YEARS</p><p><br /></p><p>sometimes of childhood</p><p>other times of owning and letting go</p><p>of segments and sand and soil</p><p>adam's ribs</p><p>conjured </p><p>as too many oranges</p><p>in cribs </p><p>or purgatory</p><p>seen through hampers</p><p>years of light,</p><p>of dark</p><p>puppets</p><p>hanging from spider webs</p><p>strong as belief</p><p>obstinate</p><p>as a cornered roach</p><p>and yet</p><p>no solution</p><p>in sight</p><p><br /></p><p>ahmet cafer celebiler</p><p>October 18 2022</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-66298637673728535372022-10-17T12:56:00.001-07:002022-10-17T12:56:20.120-07:00UNUTULMUŞ BİR ÇÖP<p> </p><p style="background-color: white;">ÇERÇÖP</p><p style="background-color: white;"><br /></p><p style="background-color: white;">Bu sokakdan hergün geçer</p><p style="background-color: white;">çöp kamyonu</p><p style="background-color: white;">benden önce</p><p style="background-color: white;">ve benden sonra</p><p style="background-color: white;">çöplerimi toplamaya</p><p style="background-color: white;"><br /></p><p style="background-color: white;">baktım bugün</p><p style="background-color: white;">öğleyin</p><p style="background-color: white;">neredeyse seksen senelik çöp</p><p style="background-color: white;">yerli yerinde</p><p style="background-color: white;">kokmamışlar</p><p style="background-color: white;">fazla karışmamışlar </p><p style="background-color: white;">birbirlerine</p><p style="background-color: white;">sulh içinde duruyorlar</p><p style="background-color: white;">anlaşıyorlar</p><p style="background-color: white;"><br /></p><p style="background-color: white;">Ayırmaya kıyamadım</p><p style="background-color: white;">kötü havaları</p><p style="background-color: white;">kötü hisleri </p><p style="background-color: white;">birbirlerini etkilemesin</p><p style="background-color: white;">varsın dursunlar</p><p style="background-color: white;"><br /></p><p style="background-color: white;">Artık hergün sesleniyorum</p><p style="background-color: white;">çerçöp diyorum</p><p style="background-color: white;">çöp kamyonu</p><p style="background-color: white;">çöplerimi</p><p style="background-color: white;">sevgi ve anlayışla karşılasın diye</p><p style="background-color: white;"><br /></p><p style="background-color: white;">Ahmet Cafer Çelebiler</p><p style="background-color: white;">11 Haziran, 2022</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-7035447141151026252022-10-14T15:39:00.002-07:002022-10-18T05:51:47.308-07:00MORE THAN A DOZEN TRIPS IN 2021 AND 2022<p> </p><p>THE MYSTIQUE OF ISTANBUL HOSPITALS</p><p>Not much mystery in the nasty buildings really, unless you can make a game of your visits.</p><p>However, making a game out of riding ambulances whose absorbers did not absorb any of the shocks one receives from cause to route to stretchers is not an easy thing and usually doomed for failure. </p><p>Both the body and the mind play tricks on the traveler, while the senses do not sense as they were used to. The sights are hidden in a haze of unknown quality and size clouds, while the mind takes a euphoric rest from mundane things like the Four W and one H questions and stops bothering with any thought, belief, worry or conjecture.The stretcher gives way to a mattress, sheets and pillows of unknown make and not worth any note or quality check. </p><p>The worst pain is usually due to the catheter placements and the operators of these torture devices. I was willing to give in, talk and admit to all, including not suffering from any ailment to prove that I should not be administered the pricking on arms and hands in the absence of a game of "Living With Mosquitos, Bees, Spiders and Scorpions."</p><p>These destinations are in very different time zones, not standard, or Eastern, Central and Western and the inhabitants have their own even more unusual time perceptions. The purpose of all the time variations and distortions were probably meant to confuse the tourist. The needles that are fixed, attached to hoses and dull equipment and the temporary ones are part of the same ordeal as the stuff they bring on old trays which have seen better destinations loosely topped with low quality left overs in the type of bowls and dishes and glasses we usually donate to charities. The stale bun of bread does not taste much even with salt and black pepper if and when those are provided. Fortunately my worst fear of waterboarding did not materialize.......</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-70128883150629518572022-09-03T04:45:00.007-07:002022-10-14T15:04:01.222-07:00ROAD OF WORN DOWN THINGS<p>Road of Worn Down Things </p><p>When the person was much younger; maybe two, if memory serves and old diffused photographs appear in the dim light, there were paths of packed earth, trails of dust and mud. They sometimes led to random stony roads mellowed by rain and feet and a rut or two collecting debris for no purpose.</p><p>As time stays but age advances, the shoes leaving traces or new debris and mostly no evidence, grew in size and number. Those stones which remained were more solidly buried. The appearance of a solid footing phased out in a cubist gaze, and the rut rivulets flowed with less debris in misunderstood personal patterns.</p><p>The not so visible paths led elsewhere where there was not much else.</p><p><br /></p><p>Ahmet Cafer Celebiler</p><p>September 3, 2022</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-65586508758487931112022-06-24T09:50:00.005-07:002023-03-18T12:45:51.655-07:00THREE FOILED ATTEMPTS <p><br /></p><p>Three Foiled Attempts </p><p><br /></p><p><span face="Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #323232; font-size: 16px;">Spent a week or so (could be four or 9 days, the way i feel) at Iznik/. Not much walking except for shopping and a very tiring village market visit. The stairs at home seemed steeper than usual and so i preferred to sleep downstairs for two nights.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" /><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" /><span face="Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #323232; font-size: 16px;">The tribulations started with three short successive visits to the beyond, 2 AM, Eser woke, seeing I am not breathing, calls two ambulances in her confusion, two nephews from first and second floors, the janitor and the housekeeper. I woke up to find the bedroom like the state room in the Marx Bros film "At the Circus" I was feeling extremely happy and peaceful and did not really want to be bothered or moved, but they did things and then moved me to the stretcher, shouting "one, two three" like the doctor shows on TV. Apparently, i tried the doors to the other side for she second time then. Woke again on the ambulance, due for a very uncomfortable ride with siren at full blast. Stayed at ER till morning. The ER doctor tried to discharge me but Eser's phone call to our neurologist who had become a friend after multiple visits since 1996 found us a room in the hospital. This was a lousy small room with nary a view, so I stomped my foot, possibly too strongly and next I knew I was at the ICU having been refused entry to the Good Place for the third time.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" /><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" /><span face="Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #323232; font-size: 16px;">I was not too much aware of my surroundings there for the following five days but remember strongly my disappointment with the cute nurses (or were those just hallucinations?) with lovely voices who had a competition going on to try to see how many times each one could puncture me to find a vein for a catheter and another catheter and to draw blood for tests and to draw more blood, and then blood thinner shots and such for which leeches were used in the past.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" /><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" /><span face="Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #323232; font-size: 16px;">Then a larger regular room with a better view but the same type of nurses, (clones of the ones at ICU?) Then, it was time for two nights of sleep apnea tests where the attending nurse tried her best to stop me from taking chewable indigestion tablets because she had no instructions from a doctor. I almost threatened her with female circumcision before she called the head nurse.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" /><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" /><span face="Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #323232; font-size: 16px;">Another five days and we were out. This reminds me that Eser deserves more than my admiration and thanks for her care and concern and ability to handle doctors and nurses. I wish I could afford to tip her but, nay, the medical bills left me destitute and words need suffice.</span></p><p><span face="Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #323232; font-size: 16px;">June 24, 2022</span></p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-87865376879785094392022-05-18T12:27:00.002-07:002022-05-18T12:28:29.084-07:00TAKING THE LONGER ROAD<p> </p><p>T<b>aking the Longer Road</b></p><p><br /></p><p>A child of seven</p><p>a wise child of seven</p><p>knowing all the routes</p><p>to treasures</p><p>and mysteries</p><p>and to caves and </p><p>jungles</p><p>dens of thieves and lions</p><p>bored with all of that</p><p>may, instead</p><p>hunt for plums, figs</p><p>and snakes</p><p>small. and friendly</p><p>in a garden </p><p>that never was named Eden</p><p><br /></p><p>May 19, 2022</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-91034271149602757922022-04-17T08:36:00.001-07:002022-04-17T09:01:30.346-07:00A MEMORY OF BYGONE DAYS <p> TRIP REPORT WHICH FIRST (AND THEN AGAIN) APPEARED ON FODORS FORUMS</p><p><br /></p><div id="edit16005241" style="background-color: #efefef; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><div id="post16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><div class="tpost" style="background-color: white; border-color: rgb(235, 235, 235); border-radius: 3px; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.14286rem; overflow: hidden; padding: 1px; width: 1322.71px; word-break: break-word;"><div class="trow-group" style="border-radius: 3px 3px 0px 0px; box-sizing: border-box; display: table; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; width: 1318.04px;"><div class="trow" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: table-row; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; width: 1318.04px;"><div class="tcell alt1" id="td_post_16005241" style="border-right: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; display: table-cell; font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; padding: 0.71429rem 0.42857rem; vertical-align: top;"><div class="smallfont" style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">Fabulous Family Fearlesly Meet Lykians (reprint of 2010 trip)</span></div><hr style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-bottom: 0px solid rgb(136, 136, 136); border-color: rgb(136, 136, 136); border-image: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-left: 0px solid rgb(136, 136, 136); border-right-width: 0px; border-right: 0px solid rgb(136, 136, 136); border-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(136, 136, 136); border-top-style: solid; box-sizing: content-box; clear: both; height: 0px; margin: 0.57143rem 0px 0.5rem; overflow: visible;" /><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">It is 10:15PM in this part of the globe. I keep on trying to move various flying insects </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">which appear on the screen with my mouse until i discover again and again that </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">they are not multiple manifestations of the cursor.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I am sitting on the veranda of Telemen's House B&B at Ucagiz, just at the entrance to the town.</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> I can see three street lights and a light on top of the mast of one largeish yacht at the marina.</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> It is as quiet as can be. Eser and Ceylan, younger daughter fresh from Chicago for a </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">two week vacation on Monday, before she starts to work, are in the largish room </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">checking the huge society news magazine, Alem, where Ceylan expects some familiar faces</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> from her highschool days. She will soon come out to expropriate the laptop so that she</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> can play Heroes of Might and Magic III.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Two cats visited me so far. The tiny black kitten is still around. The black emaciated dog</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> fortunately did not climb the stairs and attempt to climb on my lap like the kitten.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Half an hour ago we got the owner to change the 40W bulb to a 100W one </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">that we bought from the market in town.</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> The night is about 26 degrees, the A/C works fine inside.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We arrived here just after sunset, having taken off at 8:30AM from Iznik (Nicea) </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">where we have a tiny summer place in a compound on the lake. The roads were faster than </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">we expected having been transformed to divided highways since last we drove this way </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">which now carry a 110kilometer speed limit (120 with the 10% allowance). We checked </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">the new Hilton Garden Inn at Kutahya which used to cry for a decent hotel, ate at Ikbal</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> near Afyon and fueled, drove through Burdur, Korkuteli (from Kizilkaya) and Elmali, </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">and before coming down to Finike, visited Arycanda, one of the major Lykian cities.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I had a chance to try our new red Pentax and decided that i would be doing a very good deed</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> if i stopped half way up the ruins to talk to the caretaker, who has been working there </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">for the last 28 years. The ladies pushed up. i stayed to marvel at such large numbers of Roman </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">baths in town and their proximity to the Necropolis, feeling filthy and old.</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Near the very narrow but short dirt road leading up to Arycanda, there was a waterfall </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">and lots of stands where enterprising people had set up an exchange station: </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">the second quality fruit and corn on the cob to be exchanged with our top notch money. </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">This is where we bought a strange fruit, possibly eaten by wild goats when they cannot find </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">anything better, lots of different colored pomegranates and some very early green tangerines.</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> The man said the yellowish pomegranates are much sweeter than the very red ones. </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">he knows we will not pass that way again.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We had a one kilo lagos for 70TL after a great deal of bargaining at Kordon Restaurant. </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">The asking price was 70TL. He gave the white Angora, which is better than a red Angora </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">for only 25TL, and the meze was good. Altogether only 135 plus 15 tip </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">including the wood grilled fish.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />If i see any enthusiasm, i will continue tomorrow after our whole day boat trip, </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">swimming over the Kekova ruins and other nice spots and possibly visit some more sights</div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> by boat. The owner of the B&B says he will harpoon a fish and cook it for us. I think </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">we should take some bread or something with us in case he is not successful. </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">We also passed some blue crab restaurants about 25 kilometers before Ucagiz, </div><div id="post_message_16005241" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">and may ask him to take us to one.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Ceylan is here for HOMM3. 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Telemen says will be fine for boat trip </div><div id="post_message_11602867" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">at 250TL, including harpooned fish. </div><div id="post_message_11602867" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">The feminine leg which has been mauled by razor blades</div><div id="post_message_11602867" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> learns to crave further torture thus delaying breakfast and boat.</div><div id="post_message_11602867" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Took photos from veranda which we will post on </div><div id="post_message_11602867" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> and give link.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Angora is a popular cheaper Turkish wine.</div><div id="post_message_11602867" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> I try not to link it to goats when i drink.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Lagos is, grouper, in English. the one we had must have been a baby. </div><div id="post_message_11602867" style="box-sizing: border-box; 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box-sizing: border-box; color: #338280; line-height: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" title="Find all liked posts by otherchelebi">2 Posts</a></div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></div></div></div><div class="tcell alt1" id="td_post_11602876" style="border-right: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; display: table-cell; font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; padding: 0.71429rem 0.42857rem; vertical-align: top;"><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">17:10 back on the veranda, after stressful (for me) boat trip.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I actually swam all of 20 minutes or so. a record worthy of my collected posts. </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Rest of the time I sat on a hard bench (about 5 hours or so) with the net-like inner lining </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">of my bathing suit leaving permanent patterns on my oh so delicate skin, </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">feeding Lassy the black dog who kept on stretching one of her paws </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">to rest it on my also delicate knees.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />What happened is, after the first hour or less of slowly cruising on and next to the sunken ruins, </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Telemen tied the boat to some rocks, donned a wet suit, took his harpoon and disappeared;</div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> the ladies frolicked in the water, i joined the festivities and came up to the boat about 12:15.</div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> there was no sign of Telemen.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The ladies swam more, I searched for any sign of flippers or a nozzle sticking out of the water</div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> on the shores and the possible sunken wall not too far away. there was nothing. </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">the dog wanted more of our fried meatballs which i had brought just in case Telemen could not </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">spear any fish. Our friendship with lassy increased.</div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> the female contingent went to the front of the boat to stretch on smelly sponge mats </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">which had no cover.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />This is when a small expeditionary force of black flies settled on the boat and greedily started </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">to bite us. Burning, momentary (note the word used correctly)bites. i knew this meant rain, </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">especially after the first few drops. the ladies came, rain stayed at just a few drops. but the </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">flies had called the main force to join the looting. Telemen was nowhere. 14:00 hours, </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">and Lassy started getting skittish. 14:15, he moved to one side of the boat looking intently</div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> and going to Eser to make short sad noises. I knew then and there, that we had seen the last </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">of Telemen and that the dog being so sensitive had felt his master's demise.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Well, five minutes later Telemen appeared with 14 fish including two small rosets, a baby </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">grouper, four dark colored spiny ugly fish and some others. It took him all of half an hour</div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> to build a beautiful charcoal fire on the rocks, a nice shepherds salad, grill four eggplant </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">and all the fish. he also had brought lots of very fresh bread. </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">I was glad that Telemen had survived.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The whole bay, full of small islands now, was actually a fertile plain and home to a hard </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">working Lykian population.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Apparently, the first big earthquake separated the large chunk which is Kekova island </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">and a second one flooded most of the rest of the plain, and caused all the people </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">to move possibly to our neighborhood in istanbul around 4-500AD and thence to</div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> Greece with the exchange of populations in 1936 or thereabouts.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Town of Kale is not on Kekova island but on a rugged promontery and can only be reached</div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> by boat. Two very wealthy Turks have mansions on it. Some B&B owners are trying to imitate</div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> them possibly by probably overcharging tourists. Boats ply ice-cream and Gozleme pastry </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">around the bay to boat people who do not have a Telemen to fish for them.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We almost stepped on land at Kale, but then decided that we could take better photos </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">from a distance and that the walk up o the fortress would be too hazardous because </div><div id="post_message_11602876" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">of the greedy natives.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We decided not to visit the antique site, Myra and the church of saint Nicholas that day as it was getting late.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />18:40 Telemen brough some local apples and grapes and said he will also brew tea for us. Eser said out of his earshot that she would have preferred a cold beer.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The stress was almost gone.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Must admit it has been one lazy, restful day albeit the stress. The evening view is terrific. Time to rest some more.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Tomorrow, first to find a Shell Gas station for fuel, then Myra, then kas, patara, Xanthos, Letoon, Pinara. Will not be the end of the world if we do not do all. 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The food was a reasonably good open buffet at the restaurant of Onur Pension at the marina, an adana kebap and a new wine discovery, a very light, excellent rose by Lykia Wines (45TL for wine 100TL for food and tip)<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Before that telemen told us his interesting life story. They have guests now with the women watching soaps in the huge kitchen they have downstairs and the men talking outside.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />There is also music coming from somewhere in town. I am hoping that the sound of the rather quiet A/C will cover all the noises. the ladies are taking over immediately at the laptops. 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box-sizing: border-box; color: #338280; line-height: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" title="Find all liked posts by otherchelebi">2 Posts</a></div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></div></div></div><div class="tcell alt1" id="td_post_11604044" style="border-right: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; display: table-cell; font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; padding: 0.71429rem 0.42857rem; vertical-align: top;"><div id="post_message_11604044" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Mathieu on Oct 7, 10 at 6:24pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I am enjoying this report, otherchelebi.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Your desciptions of family, food and nature intermingled with each other reminds me of reading any of Gerald Durrell's wonderful books about his youth in Corfu.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Looking forward to more.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />PS Turkey is one of my most favourite travel destinations. I had such a great time interacting with the country and the people when I was last there. I will definitely return.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />otherchelebi on Oct 7, 10 at 6:36pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Jahoulih, Janisj, Bokhara2, mathieu, thank you very much for the encouragement. I really appreciate it.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Was one of Durrell's works called, "My Family and Other animals"? If so, i think i read it also many many many years ago.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Mathieu on Oct 7, 10 at 10:03pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Yes, "My Family and Other Animals", "Birds, Beasts and Relatives" and many others, some also written by his brother Lawrence (Larry). They were a favourite of mine between the ages of 14 and 18, and I have copies of them in my library collection now. I still occasionally pull one out and read a few paragraphs when I need to be by the sea on a greek island, or simply need a good laugh.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />otherchelebi on Oct 7, 10 at 10:42pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I remember that the Alexandria Quartet was very popular in the mid-late sixties as was henry miller. i do not remember if i read all four but have a foggy recollection of Justine.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />annhig on Oct 7, 10 at 11:37pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I remember that the Alexandria Quartet was very popular in the mid-late sixties as was henry miller. i do not remember if i read all four but have a foggy recollection of Justine.>><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />LOL - Larry's style was VERY different from Gerald's which personally i prefer - Larry seemed to me to take himself far too seriously.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />your trip report is lovely - i love the description of what your swimming costume was doing to you! and I thought that I was the only one who felt like that about boat trips.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />please keep it coming - even if your audience is restricted, we're very appreciative.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Bokhara2 on Oct 8, 10 at 12:01am<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Well spotted, Mathieu - Otherchelebi's report is like dipping into, "My Family & Other Animals". I grew up with my nose in Gerald Durrell's books & your comment sent me scuttling to my bookshelf to pull it out.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />There's an interesting observation on wikepedia about the differing views of the move to Corfu by Lawrence, who initiated it, and Gerald. Do any of your kids scribble, Otherchelebi? Might be fun to have their parallel comments with yours!<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Durrell" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: "playfair+display", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Durrell</a><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><a href="http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/d/gerald-durrell/" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: "playfair+display", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/d/gerald-durrell/</a><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />309pbg on Oct 8, 10 at 12:09am<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I am loving your report. Please continue!<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />P<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />otherchelebi on Oct 8, 10 at 8:00pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />i am sitting at the bar of Villa Rhapsody, with a dry gin martini, near the end of Kayakoy, fortunately before the cemetary. Kayakoy is an abandonned mostly Greek village of 1920s, the location of the popular sad novel called "Birds Without Wings." It is 19:50, still some time before dinner, Atilla and Jean the owners are great fun. We have again three cats and Hurma, the dog who is 15% Rodesian something and 85% Turkish tart. Jean is a DE for Istanbul on Trip Advisor, which means that i can be a DE on Kayakoy.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The route was rather winding, made longer by my deep-seated interest in finding shortcuts. We visited the Shell station in Demre, Myra of the fabulous antique theatre and the rock tombs which the group of Russian tourists in front of house thought were homes of the wealthy in the 5th century.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Both at Myra and the church of Saint Nicholas (Santa Claus),<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />i was prepared to be embarrassed while trying to squeeze through the turnstiles, however the Russians were at least a few steps ahead of me in all meanings of the word. 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margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Posts: 6,478</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Likes: 0</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></div></div></div><div class="tcell alt1" id="td_post_11604134" style="border-right: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; display: table-cell; font-size: 16px; margin: 0px; padding: 0.71429rem 0.42857rem; vertical-align: top;"><div id="post_message_11604134" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">I am glad you are reprinting this report because I had put down on my calender, four years ago today, to tell you how much I enjoyed it.</div></div></div><div class="trow" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: table-row; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; width: 1318.04px;"><div class="tcell alt2" style="border-right: 1px solid rgb(235, 235, 235); box-sizing: border-box; display: table-cell; margin: 0px; padding: 0.71429rem 0.42857rem; 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margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">IMDonehere thanks, If i survive a long time, beyond most people's memory, I am planning to own up to trip reports written by others who are not allowed on the lounge anymore and reprint them as if they were mine. 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Don't get me wrong - I'm lovin' every word of it and I enjoy your style, but sometimes I have to do a double take ! <img alt="" border="0" class="inlineimg" src="https://www.fodors.com/community/images/smilies/imported/smiley.gif" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: none; vertical-align: middle;" title="Imported" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />When you wrote : "...with the women watching soaps in the huge kitchen..." I thought you meant 'washing soaps' (probably because of the kitchen !) and couldn't figure out what you meant until I re-read the phrase correctly a few times! My bad. <img alt="" border="0" class="inlineimg" src="https://www.fodors.com/community/images/smilies/imported/smiley.gif" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: none; vertical-align: middle;" title="Imported" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Then : " We visited the Shell station in Demre, Myra of the fabulous antique theatre and the rock tombs...". I'm assuming the latter 2 are places of interest but not sure about the first one : Shell station ? POI or POP (place for petrol) ?<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Again, I'm really enjoying this report but just need a bit of clarification. Keep it up !<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Your bathing suit anecdote reminds me of yet another hilarious Durrell family moment. This time, when the clan organise a midnight picnic on a beach a short boat ride away to christen, as it were, Mother's new bathing suit. Described by young Gerald as more of a victorian contraption than a garment, it was a black outfit festooned with ruffles. These became waterlogged the moment she sat in the water, so making it impossible for her to arise from the shallows. This in turn made Roger the dog to believe that she was being engulfed by a black sea monster, which sent him barking to her rescue, attacking the ruffles, and forcing her back into the water she was trying to get out of.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Looking forward to your post-dinner adventures.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />otherchelebi on Oct 8, 10 at 10:16pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />It is after dinner, but i will go back some hours.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The morning started with Cey's insect bites of the previous night which lead to a heated discussion of the size and appearance of different types of bites. Mosquitos, spiders, bedbugs, husbands, etc. In any case, the end result is that they all itch. i had to take a shower using the tiny amount of water which trickled out of the shower which was clogged up with whatever. It came cold, and then cold/hot, and hot, and not in any specific sequence, thus making it impossible to prepare for the burn or the freeze.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We managed to load everything on the car, including the four kilos of pomegranades and the small bottle of plum sauce which we had bought at Arycanda way-station (the correct spelling this time) The dog and the cat food containers were half empty but the additional weight we all seemed to have gained in the 36 hours at Ucagiz made up for that. We needed to backtrack to Demre not only because of the ruins of Myra and the church of Saint Nicholas which may have last been repaired in the 13th century with a grant from a Russian Tsar, and then allowed to crumble until restoration was started as a museum sometime in the last 20 years or so.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Cey, whose MSc in historic preservation would not apply to any charitable work on me, totally expropriated the flashy red Pentax camera with the suggestive zoom lens with which i was hoping to attract some attention from the younger feminine tourists.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Both sites were truely terrific. I even made an attempt to climb the rock tombs but the former inhabitants sent me some warning sweat and i stopped after four meters of energetic climbing that had taken longer than Eser liked.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The coastal road to Kas gave us a chance to see a very stormy sea and take some shots.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We ate at "Mother's Kitchen" in kas. Lovely home type of cooking for only 75TL for three, walked a bit and continued to Patara, past Kalkan, supposedly in time for the ladies to swim on one of the top three beaches in the world, and home to the caretta turtles.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The strong wind swirling the fine sand, the historic ruins in the distance, the large German families braving the forces of nature and still able to laugh were too depressing to stay there.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We met a couple from Chicago at Myra and a young man mesmerized by a single structure at Patara, watching a specific section continuously like a pantomimist at Montmartre in Paris. We talked of the families and life of telemen and wife and two year old daughter. we argued about the sound Eser made when chewing gum, and somehow made it first to Letoon where parts of three temples stood so that we could pay our respects to Artemis, Apollo and Leto, and then to Kayakoy, past Fethiye. We had to be very careful at the temple for Leto, because she is known to have transformed a whole population in that very area to frogs.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Let's see what cey has to say, as per suggestion by Bokhara2.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />otherchelebi on Oct 9, 10 at 9:28pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Hello! This is the other celebi's daughter Ceylan.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I and my father both enjoy traveling but we express our joy in being able to travel in very different ways.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />He likes to share his memories with others, most likely to not lose them and also to help others in finding paradise in every place. I am more conservative with my memories and findings.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />This trip has come the closest to changing my mind; it has been wonderful not only because of the places we have visited but also because of the people.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Telemen's house in Ucagiz makes you want to be a part time fisherman ( to enjoy all the fish you cannot get or would be very expensive in Istanbul) and part time bed& breakfast owner ( to be able to meet different people and have a serene life with little kittens playing everywhere).<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Villa Rhapsody in Kayakoy makes you feel at home with the luxuries of having good food and a bar that tempts you to get a dirty martini, a glass of whisky or both.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Cinaralti Pansion is placed in the middle of the most beautiful Turkish village i have ever seen,including a delicious meal.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />otherchelebi on Oct 9, 10 at 10:16pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Reading what she wrote, you would think that she is a little angel. Well, she has no appreciation of examplary parental guidance, or terrific planning, or painstaking preparation of even a 5-6 day trip, suitable for a travelogue, with cats, dogs, fish, Russian tourists, high waves, a bee having the time of its life with Ceylan thrown in.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We are now at Cinaralti Pansiyon (B&B) at Birgi, having bidden farewell to my Dutch internet friend from trip advisor, Villa Rhapsody and Atilla, her husband whom she calls a clown. They were very pleasant and hospitable people and gave us two books as presents and found us a one kilo jar of honeydew for a ridiculously cheap price from a neighbor.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />a triple room at Villa Rhapsody 110TL with a scrumptious breakfast including bacon and fried egg on toast. good dinner with bottle of reasonably good wine 135TL.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We were late leaving Fethiye, having visited Gemiler bay, where it was still rather windy and a cool 23 degrees. The female contingent decided not to swim but get their feet wet on the beach, where a lecherous bee decided to make some indelicate propositions to Cey, who did a strange tribal dance which she must have learned from his half Italian/half Irish, American husband.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The photographs of this short episode will be available, together with other photos of the trip hopefully within a few days of our returning home on the 11th of October.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Fethiye to Birgi can be done by three different routes. Two of them require major mountain crossings. One of these does not appear on a standard tourist highway map of Turkey.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Guess which one we took, after finding our Shell petrol station from which we get 97 Octane without paying immediately through the Vehicle Recognition System.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The mountain crossing was 70 kilometers and i really and truely had no idea that it would take us all of one hour fifty minutes. we only met three cars, one minibus, one small truck, six tractors, two donkeys, four cows and four horses on the road. None of them paid any attention to us. We also felt ucky that only one of the hideous looking small kids, a possible four year old, threw a stone at us while we were driving through a village.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />lack of signs sent us towards the other mountain crossing in the reverse direction through a village called "Almond", well actually its Turkish equivalent. Later we asked if we could buy some almonds, they said, "It's just a name, they grow chestnuts there.".<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We discovered our mistake after 10 kilometers and drove directly into the weekly market in Odemis town, popoulation 77,128. Neither us nor the stall owners were in a mood to become lifelong friends during the twenty minutes or so during which we very succesfully restrained ourselves from honking the car horn, or even a mouth horn.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Came to lovely Birgi just before dark. The very wise owner of the B&B who is also a chesnut producer, with hands turned totally green-black from handling fresh walnuts, welcomed us. Soon we had another life story to compare to Telemen the fisherman's and Atilla the playboy who was tamed by a Dutch lady.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />had a special meal of an earthenware casserole stew, chickpea pilav, fried potatoes, eggplant and sweet green pepper with garlic yoghurt and a huge salad of tomatoes, cucumbers and lettuce. We had bought our own wine, Doluca DLC, from which i had only one glass. The ladies opened the second bottle, it is 10:15, bedtime for me, leaving them to view for the umpteenth time old videos and photos stored on Eser's laptop. Eser is training little Ceylan in the Turkish tradition of drinking , becoming nostalgic, first laughing and then crying. goodnight.</div></div></div><div class="trow" style="box-sizing: border-box; display: table-row; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; width: 1318.04px;"><div class="tcell alt2" style="border-right: 1px solid rgb(235, 235, 235); box-sizing: border-box; display: table-cell; margin: 0px; padding: 0.71429rem 0.42857rem; vertical-align: top;"><img alt="otherchelebi is online now" class="inlineimg" src="https://www.fodors.com/community/images/statusicon/user_online.gif" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: none; vertical-align: middle;" title="otherchelebi is online now" /> <a href="https://www.fodors.com/community/report.php?p=11604186" rel="nofollow" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #338280; line-height: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;"><img alt="Report Post" class="inlineimg" src="https://www.fodors.com/community/images/buttons/report.gif" style="border: 0px; 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I'm enjoying this one especially since some of the places you're going are on our itinerary for our trip next summer. I'm looking forward to the next installment!<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />otherchelebi on Oct 10, 10 at 8:45am<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Welcome, annhig, 309pbg and suffrock.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Just before breakfast. The owner stopped snoring when eser made too much noise on the veranda where the carpenter son will bring our breakfast soon. he lives in Odemis 6 kilometers down the hill but comes up to help father in the mornings and evenings. i wonder if it is the soil?<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Sunny day. Will visit the 1876 built Cakiraga mansion, and the<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />fourteenth century mosque. The little town is under Unesco protection, and all the past municipalities since the early 1980s have worked hard in having the townspeople to restore and repair their homes. all major street fron houses are like their originals of 7-800 years ago and the restorations are now moving to the back streets.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />This is a very modern and progressive town and it was a pleasure to discuss politics with the owner.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />after the local sightseeing and buying olive oil from one of the two factories at the exit from the town, we will head towards Lydian civilization. Golcuk-Bozdag-Sardis next.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Bokhara2 on Oct 10, 10 at 11:33am<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Very interesting & entertaining to have your parallel input, Ceylan - thank you.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Seems as if your darling daughter's doing very well despite having,"no appreciation of examplary parental guidance, or terrific planning, or painstaking preparation ...", Otherchelebi <img alt="" border="0" class="inlineimg" src="https://www.fodors.com/community/images/smilies/imported/wink.gif" style="border-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: none; vertical-align: middle;" title="Imported" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />pat_woolford on Oct 10, 10 at 3:55pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Nice stuff, chelebi, great to read. I was in your lovely country a few months ago, (I'm Australian) whilst not having more than 3 weeks there enjoyed every minute, but wish it was far longer . Could you please tell me how you grow the best tomatoes in the entire world??<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />otherchelebi on Oct 10, 10 at 9:56pm<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />hello pat from rather far away. i am glad you were here.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />i am afraid I cannot divulge the secret of our tomatoes. Actually it is not because i do not wish to, but a witch put this spell on us upon her escape from Salem, so that one cannot eat good tomatoes in america and all other English speaking places, and we become dumb the moment we try to tell how we do it, so that you cannot ever eat good tomatoes. Sorry about that, but it is one of those things you learn to live with. (That is probably why there are so many dumb Turks, but that is another story.)<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The day started with blue skies and 15 degrees. The mansion was built earlier than the 1870s but i forgot the exact date. It has very intricate wood work, looks like the kind of doll house a bavarian prince would have had built for his daughter.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Unfortunately,the first restoration had possibly not involved structural works, and the building was sagging and declared out of bounds. However, feeding the caretakers cats from our mobile stash gave him the great idea that Ceylan, who weighed little could actually enter the building and climb up to the second and third floors without causing any further collape.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />i think she has some very rare photos of the mansion, which she may be able to tranform into an article and hopefully publish somewhere.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We then drove to the Aydinoglu Mehmet Bey mosque, where the imam took charge of the ladies and gave them a thorough run down on the history of not only the mosque but some of movable objects in the mosque which were stolen a number of times and always recovered, the last one being in 1993 when it was sold to a museum in England, recognized by a very rare visitor to Birgi and brought back.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />We then checked the single textile stand across the square, to buy half of the duvet cover sets on display, with the stall owner explaining how the villagers spend weeks to embroider them, while trying to hide the "Made in PRC" stickers.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Next, we bought two 5 liter containers of 0.3 acidity olive oil for only 60TL from the factory i had tried before. Ceylan complained again because by this time half of the back seat had enough junk already, the trunk being totally full.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Little did she know that just past the skiing and hiking resort town of Bozdag, there were stalls of lcal produce where her dad was going to by 5 kilos of fresh pinto beans, a 5 kilo sack of baby potatoes, 2 kilos aubergines, 2 kilos of chesnuts, 2 kilos of cucumbers, and a kilo of mixed hot and sweet green peppers of different sizes. added to the three kilos of fresh walnuts we bought from Mehmet poyraz, the owner of Cinaralti pansiyon in Birgi, we probably can set our own stall in istanbul.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Lunch was at Salihli at a nice looking woodfire meatball place, where we fed bread crumbs to two peacocks and two roosters, one of which, a white and grey one, had long white feathers sticking out abot 3 -4 inches to the sides from his feet. The meatballs were not that exciting at all.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The drive became rather tiring for a while until Eser gave me a mint blast gum, which almost removed all my caps and canal jobs.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />But before all this we did visit Sardis with its gymnasium and synagogue restored beautifully by a Harvard team, and my favorite temple, the temple for Artemis.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I am writing from our house at darka, in Iznik. It was a very tiring day because eser and Ceylan decided that their joint weight would definitely be more than mine and started ganging up on me. 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vertical-align: top;"><div id="post_message_11606879" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">After Sardis, we passed through Kula and then turned North before Usak, to Gediz and then cavdarhisar to view the temple of Zeus built on a more ancient temple for Kybele the earth goddess, the Roman baths and the theatre with the stadium, at Aizanoi.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The roads were single lane or divided highways with quite a bit of road works so our average speed was not higher than 70-80 k/hr.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The meatballs at Salihli had unfortunate effects on some members of our party, of the kind usually attributed to beans.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />It is very difficult to expect ladies to admit to things and not frame others.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Unfortunately, we came to an open vegetable stand just 10 k before driving into Iznik, taking the exit for Mekece from the Pamukova-Bilecik highway. It was dark by that time but the enterprising farmer had lights and some reasonably good tomatoes and excellent apples. Ceylan in the back seat, already under risk of an avalanch of produce from previous stops at roadside stalls was probably considering the advantages and disadvantages of patricide. No Electra complex in this family.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Dinner was two different kinds of bread, village sourdough and walnut, fresh from a bakery in iznik, two kinds of goat cheese we had bought at Bozdag, good feta, kasar and cream cheese from itimat dairy store, tomatoe-cucumber-green pepper salad, sun dried beef (pastirma) sausage (sucuk) and village butter, at our warm home, where the heating had been turned on by the security people after our call.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />Again there were no thanks for the warm home, the provisions and the two feral cats who came to visit and ask for their protection money.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />This morning, we visited Pasha, the guard dog at the Southwest corner of the compound, to feed him, and then gave all our remaining bread to the rabbits, roosters and Turkeys which are kept by the compound management. Ceylan discovered that rabbits would actually climb on your lap and let you pet them as long as you continue feeding them. Not very true for daughters, i must say.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />She must have been inured to all the hardship of having a crazy father and riding squeezed in a corner of the backseat, because she did not complain any more when i stopped at Kofteci Yusuf and bought five pounds of ground beef, 5 pounds of lamb front leg and three pounds of filet, before arriving at Yalova to board the ferry boat back to Istanbul.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />I am not sure any of us are wiser or more rested or calmer, but we did enjoy all of it. We saw a great deal in just a few days, met nice people, prayed to lots of deities at exotic temples. We felt warm, swam, and then cold. We braved winds, high mountain passes on narrow tracks, ate lots of fresh salads and vegetables and the occasional white and red meat and fish. and we even saw some of the former inhabitants of Letoon, who waited fruitlessly for princesses to come and kiss them.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The only sad note was that the broom shop of the broom maker, grandpa Bahtiyar, at God Sayer village between Bozdag and Salihli seemed to be permanently closed. We will remember him from the photos we took when we passed that way in december, 2009.<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" />The following are some of the links from the last december trip:<br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpO9TEZ-t-Q" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: "playfair+display", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: inherit; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpO9TEZ-t-Q</a><br style="box-sizing: border-box;" /></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-27962452288998181282022-03-13T05:35:00.001-07:002022-03-13T05:35:51.532-07:00EXTINCTION OF A SPECIES OF ONE<p> </p><p>JOURNEY TO EXTINCTION</p><p><br /></p><p>Does oblivion come to the phoenix?</p><p>And if it does, is there more than one of this creature?</p><p> Nay, more than the fingers of both hands of populations.</p><p>I suspect that this Phoenix,</p><p> this old, somewhat mutilated, een defiled spirit</p><p>not caring </p><p> not conceiving </p><p> not perceiving</p><p> immortality </p><p><br /></p><p>Trudging</p><p>Thinking</p><p>Observing</p><p>Contemplating</p><p> A few paths </p><p> fewer routes </p><p>among crowds of people</p><p> and of plants</p><p> and of rocks and such</p><p>through mysteries and adventures</p><p> recorded and narrated only in time past</p><p> and secret annals buried in cold wasteland</p><p>Beholds its travel with joy</p><p><br /></p><p>Ahmet C. Celebiler</p><p>March 13, 2022</p><p><br /></p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-35191155782851216972022-02-07T11:47:00.005-08:002022-02-07T11:47:49.885-08:00TRIP TO THE DEPTHS OF PERSONAL HISTORY<p> </p><p>I, Age 4-7 on Asian side of the Bosporus.</p><p>Some of my teachers tutors and mentors were never aware of their duties, responsibilities and the value of the time they spent in expanding my black holes and spaces.</p><p>Rain and its aftermath provided first lessons on water worthiness of hazelnut shells, the thrills of watching a piece of wood braving the rivulets by the side of steep roads and the attempts of various bugs to survive the water hazards. There was also the more permanent natural pond with rocks, which was the scene of the one fishing boat that served as a medieval galley which could never stay upright even when faced with imaginary pirates. </p><p>The narrow paths among the brush on the route down to the coast road, gave me access to clandestine meetings of lovers. Although it was not clear to me why they were in those special private places, I felt that they were up to no good. </p><p>The leaves of the sheep's sorrel, the ripening of plums, apricot, mulberries, cherries, pears, apples, medlar, cherry laurel, persimmon, walnuts, hazelnuts, blackberries, rose hips, hackberries, pomegranates, fig and loquat explained parts of the food chain along which I also moved alone and in awe of various types of ants, snakes, spiders, scorpions. The world was bigger than the tear-up leaves of the annual almanac calendar, yet the almanac had a treasury of information on seasonal storms, daily menus, the day in history, not-so-funny jokes, all providing something to read when books were finished.</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-54114168170112153332021-11-06T15:50:00.010-07:002023-02-24T14:08:12.914-08:00A SHAMAN ON THE HILLS<p> </p><p>A Short Drıve to the Hills Northeast of Iznik lake on the route to Adapazari, and then through Cicekli village to Pismaniye village. A few hundred meters beyond Pismaniye, we found the house where Eser's elementary school friend lived with her pet shaman who she had tamed at Olympos on the Mediterranean and brought here. They were good fun. He was a sculptor of not only shamanic wood talismans and wards but also of stones, old olive tree roots, petrified wood and possibly spirits.</p><p>They had also a house in the village where they could move for the duration of a vacationing group's stay in their home. The large grounds had some fruit trees, a panaromic view, no landcaping, jackals which laughed and spoke in the local language in the Winter, birds and a few mongrels occasionally visiting from the village.</p><p>The wife wrote children's books, and I guess the Shaman wrote magical incantations and spells which were used to lure and allow us entry. </p><p>I had my walking stick which helped avert an accident when taking the steps up from the garden and gave the shaman the idea to make a staff for Eser, possibly believing that she needed something against a similar accident. We invited them to our house for a meal, later in the week, hoping that Eser's staff will also arrive to keep company the simple branch talisman hanger we were presented.</p><p><br /></p><p> A.C.C November 6, 2021</p><p><br /></p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-89968176009339646452021-11-05T10:40:00.002-07:002021-11-05T11:55:37.501-07:00Through Time<p> </p><p>Not a standard trip. No conveyance, dream, mushroom or fantasy dragged up from adolescence.</p><p>A few simple falls, a baseless belief that all was fine with dragging feet like an inhabitant of a serious plague stricken dystopic world, and a not so unpleasant fog despite low humidity.</p><p>Help in lifting foot, and other foot into the regular height sedan. Easier to get off. Lift the leg from the knees. Move along long corridors to a remembered friendly wizened face who asked ne to walk a bit on the same corridor. I may have expected a little applause for doing well; or maybe admiration from my wife. All I got was an immediate appointment for two scans, two storeys down in the same fog that seemed to pervade the hospital. Went back to the same old friend, who ordered me to visit a colleague just five doors down the corridor. Actually, it may have been four or six which was not of prime importance.</p><p>I had a pleasant conversation with one older and one younger man. The older, more serious one said off-hand that I should probably stay there that night and should have some tinkering doene to my head. "The oldest known operation in surgical history," he said. Not a very useful piece of esoteric information, reminding me of some skeletons of yore, but of not much consequence to the peacefull mind bereft of any anxiety, like a baby bison separated from the herd facing a lion. We talked a bit more of blood thinners, aspirin and the shortness of time. </p><p>Then, we left to go home and possibly slept. The next day we had to pay another visit, for whatever purpose I do not remember. The older of the two surgeons, very outspoken, said, "We should not let you get out of this hospital now." Apparently, he was not very convincing. So I left again with my wife; to come back early Sunday morning, to be placed in a bed, which carried me off some time later into the bowels of the building to the sound of a few gargoyles, one of whom may have shaved my head.</p><p>Waking up in Intensive Care was easier than the time of the cardio-thoracic surgery of seventeen years ago. The fog was still a friendly symbiotic ghost. Running my hand on my scalp against the grain was the passtime of the occasion.</p><p>Many more scans, visits to both rooms, following orders to walk, joking, walking exercizes, not showing the doctors how well I could shuffle my feet, and finally an unwritten diploma, not attached to the two cavities on the left of my skull, which were stapled shut for a few weeks, and which now keep my right hand forefinger busy, enjoying the feeling of the concavity, while I think of different theories of gravity, time crystals, the difficulty of being myself and enjoying all the sleep and naps I am allowed. </p><p>Ahmet Celebiler </p><p>November 5, 2021</p><p>Almost a year after the trip.to the operating room.</p>Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-38856386546614305022019-09-10T07:37:00.002-07:002019-09-10T07:37:26.163-07:00Gone and Back<br />
We drove partially on the new toll road which made google crazyand gave us twenty additional miles but within the same period given by google.<br />Almost all the route was motorway till Karacabey, famous for raising and taking care of horses. After Karacabey it was a very narrow two narrow lanes which required driving mastery when over-taking a truck, winding for about fifty kilometers.<br /><br />Yenikoy, unfortunately, is a rather ugly seaside town, but has two expansive beaches. The secon one was elected by Eser, possibly because it is called "Women's Beach" or maybe because the sea was closer to a cafe where I could sit, have tea and read my paper while Eser swam and then dried on the beach. First she was alone and then a young couple came to the beach near where she was. The whole town looked semi deserted because the vacation period has ended, schools opened on Monday and the middle classes who frequent this type of beach town needed to get back to work in order to pay for the education of their kids or spouses, whichever came first.<br /><br />We then went to see the flood planes `Longoz` in Turkish, a word that sounds intriguing. We could sea very little water because the Fall rains have not started yet. The sign advertising boat rides stood forlorn and absurd near a jetty stretching over a late swampy ground. There were few birds, no wild animals but lots of cows and their plentifull poop adorning the sides of the dirt road. We did not walk into the forest any more than hundred feet because Eser said she could not trust an old man to protect her if wild beasts attacked althogh the pnly warning sign we saw was regarding cautiion on treading over dung beetles. We saw an African village which had no blacks in t=its vicinity. Would that be related to the sign that said visitors are expected to protect endemic (meaning native) species and not remove samples from the area? The trees and the bush and the foliage ere definitely worth our visit. We may do it again in late Spring when the whole plain is inundated and we can take that boat ride with mosquitoes and dung beetles as company.<br /><br />Eser found the sea warm enough and relaxing. I found my chair hard and the grilled cheese sandwich terrible, but accompanied by excellent freshly brewed Turkish tea. The conversation with the owner's wife was suspiciously followed by the owner who seemed to be repairing an aluminum pot lid, a task that must have taxed his abilities because it took as long as our conversation.<br /><br />We bought a fourty ounce jar of mixed linden and chestnut honey, a kilo freshly dried chick peas and a kilo of home made tarhana soup mix for less than twenty USD, a few kilometers out of Yenikoy from a couple who were minding the stand of a neighbor whose husband had recently died and whose son as about to be married.<br /><br />Then Eser slept, I followed Google's advice, driving less and not paying any toll. The whole trip, about 380 kilometers, was done on half a tank of fuelOtherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-63053138997520635252019-09-09T10:16:00.001-07:002019-09-09T10:16:12.364-07:00Old Travelers Tackle New Village<br />
Another day trip from Nicaea<br />
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Should have taken off this morning, but my drivers license, left to its own devices back in istanbul, reached me by courier later in the day.<br />
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Yenikoy, new village, was discovered on the web when, searching for missed spots of significance around Bursa lead me to read a comment by a concerned reader of a blog, saying, you should include this area also.<br />
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Tonight, I will prepare breakfast sandwiches so that we can leave fairly early tomorrow. I plan to have avocado, roast beef, thin kohlrabi slices, kasari cheese from Kars and olive paste in the sandwiches, maybe with some hot red pepper flakes or small pieces of the fresh mild bishop's crown pepper which is in season in Iznik.<br />
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Eser will take a bathing suit, I will take a cap and off we will drive past Bursa towards Karacabey and then yenikoy which is epected to have some lovely beaches on the Marmara Sea, an exceptional<br />
flood plain with eclectic and endemic vegetation, birds and possibly various fauna, and a few remains of an antique city, Plakia.<br />
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The trip should take slightly over two hours each way, but this will depend on shopping possibilities, especially for local vegetables and fruit.<br />
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Will try to post details on our return.Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-32721406216786061262019-08-04T11:58:00.001-07:002019-08-04T11:58:32.125-07:00<br />
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The following are my observation to which Eser gave her approval (possibly because I was the only named driver on our renter car:<br />
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- The Finns are stoic<br />
- They are usually slow, in 28-30 Degrees weather, acting amazed at finding themselves in a very different environment. We even saw people falling off their bicycles.<br />
- They are not enthusiastic swimmers. The sea near Helsinki and the multitude lakes offered good swimming in the heat with water temperatures possibly reaching 19-20 Degrees but we saw very few people swimming; just a few waders.<br />
- The Bauhaus style of architecture seems to have taken over their thought processes also. People, their homes, their lives, their food, their rules and regulations are all strong boxes with tiny windows, built to protect what is inside by alien elements as well as the cold.<br />
- They drink a great deal but carry their alcohol well except when a group forms in competition to test who has the loudest Viking voice.<br />
- They are friendly helpful and well-mannered but lacking in empathy (possibly with strangers)<br />
- Finland is very expensive. A simple sandwich costs 12-13 Euro and a poor meal for two with only one glass of wine, over 100 Euro<br />
- We somehow missed the herring but partook of salmon and white fish, gristly and fatty steak, excellent sausages and frankfurters, small and tasteless salads, heavy buttery sauces, mayonnaise,<br />
- no exciting cheeses to compete with gorgonzola, brie, stilton, feta. boursin, cambozola, romano, ripe cheddar, etc.<br />
- Drivin is very easy as long as you have good navigation system or at leas a co-pilot well-versed in google. Eser was sometimes good and sometimes evil just as google,<br />
- If you hit road works, google goes berserk.<br />
- The same is true if you chance to be in Helsinki when Trump and/or Putin are there.<br />
- You have to be very careful with speed limits.<br />
- Most parking is only for the Finns (possibly as parking will be only for Jews in Israel after the new legislation)<br />
- The parking meters are very few and difficult to find. If you have a rented car, to drive in Helsinki, buy a 24 hour ticket for 18 Euros from a supermarket (we found a meter outside one) And be aware that not all of them have instructions in English.<br />
- Then you have to decipher the parking signs.<br />
- The Finnish language is hopeless for those of us who speak English and can understand Southern European languages and German to a certain extent.<br />
- The Finnish countryside is one of the loveliest we have seen.<br />
- Large number of nature parks with hikes, treks, etc.<br />
- In fact, do not expect instructions, signs, pamphlets and books in English, although almost all Finns we met spoke decent English.<br />
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We refused to stay at the hostel, managed to get a Noona to tell us our payment was non-refundable, including the 55 Euro we paid extra for daily cleaning and linen change. When I said, my heart condition cannot accept so much heat, she said they can rush me to a hospital if and when needed. When I said, we should at least get the 55 Euro cleaning fee back, she said no. I was 'somewhat' annoyed and told her that we would come everyday to mess up the room so that they would have a reason to keep the fee. She responded, "Yes, you can do that." Was she just stupid, an android or mean?<br />
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We used some of their electricity to plug my laptop to check the Hiltons which appeared to give us some hope for a nice room with good strong American type A/C. We found a reasonably priced one on the Western side of Hrlsinki, near Espo, but it seemed to be full. Yet, heeding the inner voice of the old travel dog, we drove there anyway. Turned out that the inner voice was not to be trusted. They had a room only for that day. By that time we were tired and hot enough to take it at 20% above the internet rate, despite my AARP and age. We carried our suitcases to the seventh floor room which was just two storeys up, to find; Lo and Behold that the room was almost smoking hot. Went back to the reception to be told that "Yes there is A?C but it is not able to cope with the heat. Our sea view rooms are even worse."<br />
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So, we went back to the room to claim the luggage which was getting heavier by probably soaking up the hot and humid air. On the way out, while abandoning the not caring receptionist, it occured to me to ask if there was another decent hotel nearby with possibly a working A/C. She wrote the name of Radisson Blu and my trusted co-pilot (I had no option but to trust her, and she well knew that) found the hotel in Espo, on the sea with great trees, birdsong and Canada geese dropping off feathers to supply us with souvenirs to take home as well as other stuff we did not want to take back..<br />
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Our room was only 26 degrees with A/C but we borrowed a table fan to make it appear cooler. And, frankly, we had lost all hope of finding a cool room (in all senses of the word) in all Helsinki just as our strength had ebbed to the point of telling us to stay in the room and eat the remnants of some crackers and cookies we had with us. Eser had to go out to the trees and the sea which she thought was a lake and naturally had her glass of wine. Then we were almost fast asleep by 9:30 PM with the sun still refusing to set outside.<br />
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Dukey both Turkey and Greece are very cheap. They are horrible to drive in large cities but fine in resorts and regions of natural scenery. Greece also has a great deal of Bauhaus beauties as Turkey does, but those buildings at least have balconies to cater for the climate and the clothes drying habits of the populace. But our historic buildings are fun to see and photograph.<br />
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A Finnish tourist coming to Turkey is under high risk of being run over while crossing any street at any pedestrian crossing, Turks, with our traditional trust in some dumb saint or other, not only do not check the traffic lights but will only check for approaching vehicles, very quickly calculating their speed and the time they will take to reach the crossing, and then make small leaps or a dash, the ability to practice that much over-rated or not included in their calculations. So, if a Finnish steps on a zebra crossing, he will either be run over, receive insults, cause an accident or possibly all three.</div>
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I think I will give other Scandinavian countries a miss, at least for a Summer visit. Paraphrasing the doctor in the film "Adam's Apples" I will not visit a place that scorches when it is supposed to be cool."<br />
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And on that subject, Eser and I decided that the Finns, never needing warm weather clothes, opened old trunks of WW II, Swedish and Russian occupation rags and wore those during the last heat wave.<br />
For foot wear, there were cross country training roller skaters, a few cheap black grey and white sneakers, lots of slippers, sandals, tongs and babettes ( last two worn by hikers as well). The men either wore sandals or ugly black work shoes. Nary an American or Italian loafer, a French Mephisto or Nike, Merrell. Did not even see a Gucci or Rossetti store.<br />
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Women of all ages wore colourless and shapeless dresses , many also displaying leggings and tights which they probably forgot to remove after the cold weather. However there was no fur or mittens in sight.<br />
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We refused to eat reindeer because both of us are totally against hunting.<br />
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Sunday, driving to Turku was not too bad despite the many road works which reduced speed to 50, 60 or 80 K/Hr. Otherwise it was 100 or 120k, with most traffic moving slightly over the speed limit.<br />
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We found Turku quite pleasant, reminding us of some small French towns in a way. Ate some stuff at a rated restaurant which we immediately released from our memory except for the price.<br />
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Since we left Turku rather early, we decided to visit some green and watery towns on the way, briefly visiting Loja. It was a good idea, gave Eser a chance to stick her feet in the larger lake and take some photographs of the large DJ playing decent music with large ugly black equipment on the beach, unfortunately from behind.<br />
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both Eser and I are observers of people, their looks, smiles, eyes, body language. Although Eser does, I do not like museums with objects strung along, the only memory I carry of all the paintings, cabinets, frescos, four posters, baths, dungeons, etc, is the warning, "Do Not Touch"<br />
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I wanted to check a ladies underwear department in a store to see if they carried support bras but Eser would not let me.<br />
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We had good sausages and the apparently famous tomato soup with a large piece of grilled salmon. Liked them better than the expensive non-descript tasteless stuff. The problem was that no matter what we drank the heat would not go away. Eser swam at 9:30 PM with another hour of sunlight left, after sliding on a board and sitting in a few inches of water not far from two skinny dipping lads. Serves her right, although she said sje did not notice them (properly?)<br />
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We also checked the route to the Viking Line ferry for which we had paid $94 return for both of us on the net. Saw the 24 hour parking, could not decipher the writing, did not see any parkomats and decided very wrongly that it was free<br />
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Just as I was wondering whether we should try to walk to Old Town Tallinn and then sit somewhere comfortable while Eser did the sightseeing, or join the long taxi queue, a strong looking young man approached us and said he could pedal us to the old town for 35 Euro on a three wheel tuk tuk like bicycle. Having read that a taxi usually costs 8-18 Euro, I said No. He reduced price to 25. I said No again; he then said, he could not do it for less but the young kid he brought to me would do it for 15. I asked the kid himself and he replied Yeah. So we boarded the uncomfortable contraption and suffered a dizzying ride on crowded pavements, managing to stay on board through sheer will power.<br />
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The ride was so wobbly and swirvy that I could observe very little of what the city looked like between the ferry landing and the old town.<br />
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When we got to an entrance to the old town, I figured I would pay something extra to the strong young man and gave him a 20 Euro note and was about to say he could keep the change when he said I must give him 10 more because the price he quoted was per person and it was written in Estonian at the inner side of his tuk tuk. I felt like arguing, Eser tried to pull me off, other tuk tuk drivers drifted closer and finally I gave the boy the additional 10 Euro while telling him that thieves and liars like him would be carrying passengers on bicycles all their lives since he was too stupid and evil to ever succeed in school or any other profession. An older Estonian came to us and offered some consolation by saying, " I am deeply sorry for what happened, please do not think that all Estonia and Estonians are like that." We thanked him and with the adrenaline flowing at maximum output, I walked along most of the streets of the Old Town for about three hours without stopping even for water or coffee, taking photographs with the Canon which managed to gain weight as we went through the throngs of tourists most of whom fortunately stayed on the main routes, alowing us peace and quiet on most of the streets we trod.<br />
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Some impressions about Tallinn old town :<br />
- there are no steep hills<br />
- most of the time, you can avoid the tiring cobble stones by walking on easier pavements.<br />
- You can come across some interesting courtyards if you are willing to disregard people's privacy or realize that the courtyard actually houses a cafe of restaurant.<br />
- there was absolutely no hard sell and nobody tried to pull you into their restaurant or shop.<br />
- there were very few souvenir shops and very little to take back with you.<br />
- there were very few other types of shops.<br />
- the best looking courtyard restaurant was Indian.<br />
- The walls of the town, mostly built over with houses and other structures, were not exciting.<br />
- The cloister of a monastery was the most interesting religious area we saw.<br />
- People did not look very happy in general. It was only later in the cab that we discovered they had the same background as the Finns.<br />
- There were no loud speakers anywhere except for the Japanese tourists.<br />
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We finally settled for a very cute and expensive looking restaurant with tasteful flowery outside seating between two buildings. CRU restaurant had slow but smiling <span class="skimlinks-unlinked" style="box-sizing: border-box;">service.As</span> short a menu as Helsinki restaurants and could actually have had a Finnish chef or a stand-in. Upon leaving the beautiful restaurant we immediately released the taste of the food in order to not contaminate our palates for future repasts. While memories of tuk tuk and food slowly disappeared in a vapor, we joyfully took a very comfortable Mercedes cab ride back to the Viking line ferry for 17 Euro, giving the driver 20 which cheered him up.<br />
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We were pleasantly surprised when we found out that we could embark on the ferry directly when we arrived forty minutes before departure,<br />
This was a somewhat bigger ferry with live music in a bar and children's activities in one lounge area. Very pleasant cruise back<br />
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To be struck by parking ticket, Putin and Trump upon arrival in Helsinki at about 9 PM.<br />
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The trip was not really depressing.<br />
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We saw marvelous nature, a one of a kind church, the rock church and listened to a pianist play there, we observed two cultures which were totally new to us.<br />
We totally enjoyed each other's company during our 4oth wedding anniversary. We laughed at our mishaps which cost us some money, but those things can happen anywhere.<br />
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Arriving back at Helsingi and leaving the ferry among the heavy loads of booze carrying Finns, we even offered a ride to a Turkish couple we met as we were leaving our seats. They said their hotel was near the train station and not that far, so would walk. They must have been farseers, or their rejection was due to the Viking god of mischief who had planned to give us some more trouble because of the posts I would eventually write.<br />
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We found our car with no trouble, intact but with a piece of paper stuck at the windshield. Immediately I discarded the hope that it was an invitation to an erotic escapade as was our experience in Las Vegas some years ago. It was a parking fine for 60 Euros and did not provide free entry to any museums.<br />
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I figured we would have to pay the car rental agency and put the thought away, concentrating on my co-pilot's instructions, driving on the mostly empty streets, commenting that Trump and Putin must have scared everyone away from the outskirts of Helsinki or gathered them (forcefully) in central Helsinki. Little did we know!!!!!!<br />
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Five minutes of driving on almost empty streets, I saw a batch of red lights on a road ahead, wondering where they were going. Before I could tell Eser, her evil google directed me to line up behind the unmoving red lights which turned out to be stops of two lane of cars stretching to a curve about a quarter mile in the distance.<br />
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We were the last car after a set of traffic lights with new arrivals waiting back so as not to block the intersection. But a car or two somehow managed to leave th queue a few hundred yards ahead and we moved forward resulting in two cars blocking my rear escape route. We waited what seemed like thirty minutes or so at 9:30 PM on a route that lead to a parkway in abandoned Helsinki, Then, I decided to take the matter into my own hands, managed to make a u-turn over the tram tracks, managing to avoid various concrete hurdles the authorities had placed to block my way.</div>
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We checked the infamous google again, after driving half a mile or so in the reverse direction and realized it was obstinately leading us back to the traffic jam. So, I started taking various streets which looked promising as possible routes out of town but was sabotaged by all the water surrounding Helsinki and with most of it without any bridges.<br />
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We were famished by that time and I had to find a place open at 10:30 (still light) before Eser's cannibalistic archetypical instincts kicked in. The area we were driving had no restaurants or cafes that we could see and then suddenly an oasis appeared in the horizon: A MacDonalds, in all its glory. Double quarter pounder meals it was for both of us.<br />
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By the time we were finished, Trump and Putin protecting police who had missed out on all the traffic rule breakers had started going home, some stopping at McDonalds as evidence of the roads opening. Google worked fine now and although it sent us to the same street, this time around, there was barely any traffic on it. We were in our room in ten minutes.<br />
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Here's a summary of last two days :<br />
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- The first hotel, sent a mail through <a class="skimlinks-unlinked" data-skim-creative="500005" data-skimwords-word="Booking.com" href="https://booking.com/" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: "Playfair+Display", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: inherit;" title="">Booking.com</a> that they would refund.<br />
- Porvoo was not very exciting and may have been left out especially because of the roadworks on the route which made it rather long. I think we would prefer Loja to Porvoo.<br />
- Came back to hotel and ate an indifferent dinner , so that Eser could swim some more and I could rest.<br />
- Tried to catch the sunset through the trees and over a lake or sea, but were too early and could not just hang around some fabulous private homes in the Espo area.<br />
- The area between the Hilton and the Radisson is more scenic than Porvoo and even the Nuuksio Park.<br />
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The final day was another 90 minute drive to Nuuksio Nature Park. We made some stops on the way. The drive was pleasant and very scenic after branching from the Turku motorway.<br />
We could not do even the two kilometer hike because of the heat, but did almost as much by doing the first few hundred meters of each path.<br />
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We paid $30 each to partake of the miserable food and drinks but comfortable seats at the Premium lounge at the airport. This turne to be a great idea because our flight was delayed over two hours because of storm over Istanbul.<br />
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There were mishaps that we could laugh off.<br />
There was more than we expected in terms of sights and drives.<br />
Staying at the Radisson at Espo was a great decision.<br />
Including Tallinn gave us an introduction to another totally different culture.<br />
We will never forget the Rock Church and its pianist.<br />
We think that the five nights and almost six days we did was worth it.<br />
Although 400 Euros above budget the total cost Euro 2,400, including Istanbul - Helsinki full economy return tickets, was reasonable.<br />
If we had stayed at first hotel and taken the Toyota Auris instead of the Range Rover, we would have been spot on budget.<br />
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For travelers from far East, Down Under and the Americas, it may be a better idea to add some more stays to such a trip, like St. Petersburg, Riga and similar, to justify the long and more costly flights.</div>
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Here are a few more photographs for those interested in visiting outside Helsinki.<br />
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They are all from Nuuksio Nature park.<br />
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Otherchelebihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14565972422599011986noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4516433633868323143.post-83420632060730299622019-08-04T11:55:00.000-07:002019-08-04T11:55:38.918-07:00BECAUSE FINLAND IS SUDDENLY REACHABLETurkish Airlines sent a message that Istanbul- Helsinki return would cost $169/person, and I just had to take advantage for our 40th marriage anniversary.<br />
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The surprise part faded out under the inquisitive and somewhat perceptive gaze of the domestic medusa.<br />
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It took me only a day to plan, a day to pack warm clothing and off we flew to a sizzling hot Helsinki which had no right to be 25-28 degrees Centigrade, leaving us to deal with the heat with only a couple of changes of Summer clothing, just like all the Finns we observed in and around the city. Neither were we willing to pay atrocious prices for the few warm weather clothing available in the shops we saw.<br />
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The following are my observation to which Eser gave her approval (possibly because<br />
I was the only named driver on our renter car:<br />
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- The Finns are stoic<br />
- They are usually slow, in 28-30 Degrees weather, acting amazed at finding themselves<br />
in a very different environment. We even saw people falling off their bicycles.<br />
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- They are not enthusiastic swimmers. The sea near Helsinki and the multitude lakes<br />
offered good swimming in the heat with water temperatures possibly reaching<br />
19-20 Degrees but we saw very few people swimming; just a few waders.<br />
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- The Bauhaus style of architecture seems to have taken over their thought processes<br />
also. People, their homes, their lives, their food, their rules and regulations are all<br />
strong boxes with tiny windows, built to protect what is inside by alien elements as well as<br />
the cold.<br />
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- They drink a great deal but carry their alcohol well except when a group forms<br />
in competition to test who has the loudest Viking voice.<br />
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- They are friendly helpful and well-mannered but lacking in empathy (possibly with<br />
strangers)<br />
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- Finland is very expensive. A simple sandwich costs 12-13 Euro and a simple meal for two<br />
with only one glass of wine, over 100 Euro<br />
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- We somehow missed the herring but partook of salmon and white fish, gristly and fatty<br />
steak, excellent sausages and frankfurters, small and tasteless salads, heavy buttery<br />
sauces, mayonnaise,<br />
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- No exciting cheeses to compete with gorgonzola, brie, stilton, feta. boursin, cambozola,<br />
romano, ripe cheddar, etc.<br />
- Drivin is very easy as long as you have good navigation system or at least a co-pilot<br />
well-versed in google. Eser was sometimes good and sometimes evil, resembling google,<br />
<br />
- If you hit road works, google goes berserk.<br />
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- The same is true if you chance to be in Helsinki when Trump and/or Putin are there.<br />
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- You have to be very careful with speed limits.<br />
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- Most parking is only for the Finns (possibly as parking will be only for Jews in Israel after<br />
the new legislation)<br />
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- The parking meters are very few and difficult to find. If you have a rented car, to drive in<br />
Helsinki, buy a 24 hour ticket for 18 Euros from a supermarket (we found a meter outside<br />
one) And be aware that not all of them have instructions in English.<br />
Better still drive in the city on the weekend when parking may be free.<br />
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- Then you have to decipher the parking signs.<br />
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- In fact, do not expect instructions, signs, pamphlets and books in English, although<br />
almost all Finns we met spoke decent English.<br />
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- The Finnish language is hopeless for those of us who speak English and can understand<br />
Southern European languages and German to a certain extent.<br />
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- The Finnish countryside is one of the loveliest we have seen.<br />
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- Large number of nature parks with hikes, treks, etc.<br />
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Taking a rental car was one of the best things we did in Finland.<br />
Falling for the offer of the agency to upgrade to a Range Rover<br />
was also not too bad, because we drove over a thousand<br />
kilometres and the car was comfortable but not much fun to drive.<br />
Shifting with a button really turned me off.<br />
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Following our usual pattern, we managed to find both the flea<br />
market and the regular market on or arrival day, after I broke<br />
various barriers of humility and obnoxiousness. The hotel I was<br />
proud to have found for such a good rate in very expensive<br />
Helsinki, turned out to be a hovel (they may call them<br />
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We refused to stay at the hovelstel, managed to get a Noona who<br />
had the looks of an intelligent and beautiful waif to tell us our<br />
payment was non-refundable, including the 55 Euro we paid extra<br />
for daily cleaning and linen change. When I said, my heart<br />
condition cannot accept so much heat, she said they can rush<br />
me to a hospital if and when needed. When I said, we should<br />
at least get the 55 Euro cleaning fee back, she said no.<br />
I was 'somewhat' annoyed and told her that we would come<br />
everyday to mess up the room so that they would have a reason<br />
to keep the fee. She responded, "Yes, you can do that."<br />
Was she stupid, an android or just mean? The whole first impression<br />
disappeared and we were left with the ugly reality of a dystopic life.<br />
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We used some of their electricity to plug my laptop to check the<br />
Hiltons which appeared to give us some hope for a nice room with<br />
good strong American type A/C. We found a reasonably priced<br />
one on the Western side of Helsinki, near Espoo, but it seemed<br />
to be full. Yet, heeding the inner voice of the old travel dog, we<br />
drove there anyway. Turned out that the inner voice was not to be<br />
fully trusted. They had a room only for that day. By that time we<br />
were tired and hot enough to take it at 20% above the internet rate,<br />
despite my AARP and age. We carried our suitcases to the<br />
seventh floor room which was just two storeys up, to find; Lo and<br />
Behold that the room was almost smoking hot.<br />
Went back to the reception to be told that "Yes there is A/C<br />
but it is not able to cope with the heat. Our sea view rooms<br />
are even worse."<br />
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So, we went back to the room to claim the luggage which was<br />
getting heavier by probably soaking up the hot and humid air.<br />
On the way out, while abandoning the not caring receptionist,<br />
it occured to me to ask if there was another decent hotel nearby<br />
with possibly a working A/C. She wrote the name of Radisson Blu<br />
and my trusted co-pilot (I had no option but to trust her,<br />
and she well knew that) found the hotel in Espoo, on the sea<br />
with great trees, birdsong and Canada geese dropping off feathers<br />
to supply us with souvenirs to take home as well as<br />
other stuff we did not want to take back..<br />
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Our room was only 26 degrees with A/C but we borrowed a<br />
table fan to make it appear cooler. And, frankly, we had lost all<br />
hope of finding a cool room (in all senses of the word) in all Helsinki<br />
just as our strength had ebbed to the point of telling us to stay in<br />
the room and eat the remnants of some crackers and cookies<br />
we had with us. Eser had to go out to the trees and the sea which<br />
she thought was a lake and naturally had her glass of wine.<br />
Then we were almost fast asleep by 9:30 PM with the sun still<br />
refusing to set outside. Something that would have reminded me<br />
of a line or two from the Lewis Carroll poem,<br />
"The Walrus and the Carpenter".<br />
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A Finnish tourist coming to Turkey is under high risk of being run<br />
over while crossing any street at any pedestrian crossing, Turks,<br />
with our traditional trust in some dumb saint or other, not only do<br />
not check the traffic lights but will only check for approaching<br />
vehicles, very quickly calculating their speed and the time they will<br />
take to reach the crossing, and then make small leaps or a dash.<br />
The ability to practice that much over-rated behaviour frequently<br />
leads to sheepish smiles or anger at being trumped by a speeding<br />
vehicle not included in their calculations.<br />
So, if a Finn steps on a zebra crossing in Turkey believing that<br />
vehicles will respect his right of way he will either be run over,<br />
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OC - I beg that neither you nor Eser visits the UK in a heat wave.<br />
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OC, thank you for this entertaining trip report, sorry to hear about your accommodation disasters and the heat. Your comments about crossing the street remind me of my experience when I moved to Australia. I was used to the Finn style where everyone waits politely for people to cross the street here in Vancouver, in Sydney cars would rev their engines and speed up from a block away when you stepped out into the crossing.<br />
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We were just in Helsinki in late June, only had one day unfortunately because we were on a Baltic cruise but we enjoyed the market by the harbour, saw a couple of cathedrals, took the ferry to Suomelinna island and had a delicious lunch at Restaurant Aino on the street alongside the big park in the shopping area: Pohjoisesplanadi I believe is the street. It was a lovely Scandi decor, very simple and a limited menu but all Finnish specialties. My husband had the creamy salmon soup, I had the best vegetable soup ever, it was a large bowl with very fresh tender spring vegetables, the server then poured a creamy broth over the top, accompanied by some delicious crusty rye bread and the Summer Ale it was perfect. We shared a trio of house made gelato, again taste explosion. A very sweet waitress. I found the Finns a slight bit more aloof than the Danes.</div>
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I think I will give other Scandinavian countries a miss, at least for a Summer visit. Paraphrasing the doctor in the film "Adam's Apples" I will not visit a place that scorches when it is supposed to be cool."<br />
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And on that subject, Eser and I decided that the Finns, never needing warm weather clothes, opened old trunks of WW II, Swedish and Russian occupation rags and wore those during the last heat wave.<br />
For foot wear, there were cross country training roller skaters, a few cheap black grey and white sneakers, lots of slippers, sandals, tongs and babettes ( last two worn by hikers as well). The men either wore sandals or ugly black work shoes. Nary an American or Italian loafer, a French Mephisto or Nike, Merrell. Did not even see a Gucci or Rossetti store.<br />
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Women of all ages wore colourless and shapeless dresses , many also displaying leggings and tights which they probably forgot to remove after the cold weather. However there was no fur or mittens in sight.<br />
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We refused to eat reindeer because both of us are totally against hunting.<br />
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Sunday, driving to Turku was not too bad despite the many road works which reduced speed to 50, 60 or 80 K/Hr. Otherwise it was 100 or 120k, with most traffic moving slightly over the speed limit.<br />
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We found Turku quite pleasant, reminding us of some small French towns in a way. Ate some stuff at a rated restaurant which we immediately released from our memory except for the price.<br />
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Since we left Turku rather early, we decided to visit some green and watery towns on the way, briefly visiting Loja. It was a good idea, gave Eser a chance to stick her feet in the larger lake and take some photographs of the large DJ playing decent music with large ugly black equipment on the beach, unfortunately from behind.<br />
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Sorry, but it is unlikely in the extreme that the reindeer in question was hunted. Reindeer herding is practised by both Sami and Finns, and reindeer meat is a normal part of the diet.</div>
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Oh OC, you are cracking me up. I noticed that about the dress sense there, I think they just don't care about it. On the other hand if you want eye candy- go to Copenhagen. The four of us couldn't stop remarking on how attractive both sexes were-of all ages, not just young people. Absolutely the best looking people on our whole trip. Nicely dressed too in a simple elegant way, well groomed, natural, the women did not all have that fake "barbie meets Kardashian" look with fake nails, hair, boobs etc and too much makeup, they didn't need it with the bone structure they have and those eyes. And the men, well let's just say if I become single that's where I will be headed.</div>
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I'm very glad that my experience of Finland (Helsinki, to be precise) was very different than yours!<br />
I hope your trip includes some moments worthy of an anniversary celebration.</div>
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kja, I will try to find your trip report and read it.<br />
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both Eser and I are observers of people, their looks, smiles, eyes, body language. Although Eser does, I do not like museums with objects strung along, the only memory I carry of all the paintings, cabinets, frescos, four posters, baths, dungeons, etc, is the warning, "Do Not Touch"<br />
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On the other hand, I do not have to pay to try to understand gestures, mysterious or melancholy looks, sneers, laughter or sorrow on all types of faces matching or mismatching very different bodies.<br />
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I wanted to check a ladies underwear department in a store to see if they carried support bras but Eser would not let me.<br />
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We had good sausages and the apparently famous tomato soup with a large piece of grilled salmon. Liked them better than the expensive non-descript tasteless stuff. The problem was that no matter what se drank the heat would not go away. Eser swam at 9:30 PM with another hour of sunlight left, after sliding on a board and sitting in a few inches of water not far from two skinny dipping lads. Serves her right, although she said sje did not notice them (properly?)<br />
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We also checked the route to the Viking Line ferry for which we had paid $94 return for both of us on the net. Saw the 24 hour parking, could not decipher the writing, did not see any parkomats and decided very wrongly that it was free<br />
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Originally Posted by <span style="box-sizing: border-box; line-height: inherit;">otherchelebi</span> <a href="https://www.fodors.com/community/europe/finns-in-finlandia-cannot-handle-a-hot-summer-1655881/#post16765836" rel="nofollow" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: "Playfair+Display", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: inherit;"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="https://www.fodors.com/community/images/buttons/viewpost.gif" style="border: none; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline-block; height: auto; max-width: none; vertical-align: middle;" title="View Post" /></a></div>
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kja, I will try to find your trip report</div>
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No trip report -- my visit to Helsinki was long ago.</div>
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We left our hotel at 8 AM to get to ferry early, just in case. We found space at 24 hr, parking. Looked around in the large area and at entrances and exits but did not find any ticket parking machines, decided that the ferry line had a deal with the city which allowed free parking for passengers. The mind is a strange equipment, able to make unusual, nonsensical or even stupid associations and coming up with irrational results.<br />
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We spent almost two hours under intense heat in the crowded waiting lounge for 10:15 embarkation to our 10:30 trip. There were people with heat stroke and claustrophobia who were guzzling beer in order to survive under the circumstances. I just pondered on the evils of modern life and yearned for the Finnish countryside.<br />
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The huge boat had lots of different types of seating but only 13 chairs with backs high enough to rest one's head, and they were naturally occupied by the time we managed to puff our way up the stairs. The new slot machines were all inundated with small kids who may have had fake IDs saying they were 18.<br />
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We just had some of that same Finnish coffee which we generally liked, and did not feel hungry enough to munch on each other's nerves.<br />
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We waited for the crowds to thin before abandoning our seats and walked out among the stragglers, reaching a very long line for taxis. The web had warned me of shady taxis and suggested we take specific brands.<br />
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Somehow OC I missed the Barbie museum! lol, must Google that. Can't wait to see what you think of Tallinn. We all felt it was a victim of it's own cuteness...slammed with people wall to wall. Yes it has some very charming buildings but it wasn't our favourite. We had a pretty good lunch at the Peppersack which our guide in St.Petersburg had recommended. It was unfortunately one of those places where they make the waitstaff wear period costumes and our waiter had the misfortune of also having the awkward but sweet demeanour of Napoleon Dynamite. The cheese platter and the meat platter with lots of different types of herring were both really good. The soups and everything else were so so.</div>
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Just as I was wondering whether we should try to walk to Old Town Tallinn and then sit somewhere comfortable while Eser did the sightseeing, or join the long taxi queue, a strong looking young man approached us and said he could pedal us to the old town for 35 Euro on a three wheel tuk tuk like bicycle. Having read that a taxi usually costs 8-18 Euro, I said No. He reduced price to 25. I said No again; he then said, he could not do it for less but the young kid he brought to me would do it for 15. I asked the kid himself and he replied Yeah. So we boarded the uncomfortable contraption and suffered a dizzying ride on crowded pavements, managing to stay on board through sheer will power.<br />
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The ride was so wobbly and swirvy that I could observe very little of what the city looked like between the ferry landing and the old town.<br />
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When we got to an entrance to the old town, I figured I would pay something extra to the strong young man and gave him a 20 Euro note and was about to say he could keep the change when he said I must give him 10 more because the price he quoted was per person and it was written in Estonian at the inner side of his tuk tuk. I felt like arguing, Eser tried to pull me off, other tuk tuk drivers drifted closer and finally I gave the boy the additional 10 Euro while telling him that thieves and liars like him would be carrying passengers on bicycles all their lives since he was too stupid and evil to ever succeed in school or any other profession. An older Estonian came to us and offered some consolation by saying, " I am deeply sorry for what happened, please do not think that all Estonia and Estonians are like that." We thanked him and with the adrenaline flowing at maximum output, I walked along most of the streets of the Old Town for about three hours without stopping even for water or coffee, taking photographs with the Canon which managed to gain weight as we went through the throngs of tourists most of whom fortunately stayed on the main routes, alowing us peace and quiet on most of the streets we trod.<br />
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Some impressions about Tallinn old town :<br />
- there are no steep hills<br />
- most of the time, you can avoid the tiring cobble stones by walking on easier pavements.<br />
- You can come across some interesting courtyards if you are willing to disregard people's privacy or realize that the courtyard actually houses a cafe of restaurant.<br />
- there was absolutely no hard sell and nobody tried to pull you into their restaurant or shop.<br />
- there were very few souvenir shops and very little to take back with you.<br />
- there were very few other types of shops.<br />
- the best looking courtyard restaurant was Indian.<br />
- The walls of the town, mostly built over with houses and other structures, were not exciting.<br />
- The cloister of a monastery was the most interesting religious area we saw.<br />
- People did not look very happy in general. It was only later in the cab that we discovered they had the same background as the Finns.<br />
- There were no loud speakers anywhere except for the Japanese tourists.<br />
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We finally settled for a very cute and expensive looking restaurant with tasteful flowery outside seating between two buildings. CRU restaurant had slow but smiling <span class="skimlinks-unlinked" style="box-sizing: border-box;">service.As</span> short a menu as Helsinki restaurants and could actually have had a Finnish chef or a stand-in. Upon leaving the beautiful restaurant we immediately released the taste of the food in order to not contaminate our palates for future repasts. While memories of tuk tuk and food slowly disappeared in a vapor, we joyfully took a very comfortable Mercedes cab ride back to the Viking line ferry for 17 Euro, giving the driver 20 which cheered him up.<br />
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We were pleasantly surprised when we found out that we could embark on the ferry directly when we arrived forty minutes before departure,<br />
This was a somewhat bigger ferry with live music in a bar and children's activities in one lounge area. Very pleasant cruise back<br />
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To be struck by parking ticket, Putin and Trump upon arrival in Helsinki at about 9 PM.<br />
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fourfortravel, the trip was not really depressing.<br />
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We saw marvelous nature, a one of a kind church, the rock church and listened to a pianist play there, we observed two cultures which were totally new to us.<br />
We totally enjoyed each other's company during our 4oth wedding anniversary. We laughed at our mishaps which cost us some money, but those things can happen anywhere.<br />
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I've noticed, too, what a difference the weather makes in how much I enjoy a place (and how much I'm able to do). Very much enjoyed the summary, now hoping for details.<br />
Seems that Europe is getting hotter summers with every year although it is variable. I remember 5 years ago being very chilly in Paris and Normandy at the beginning of a mid-June trip and then hot in Paris at the end.<br />
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CLB - this is the first hot summer I can remember in Cornwall for about 10 years, and certainly the longest continuous hot spell for many years, probably back to '76. I agree that it is very variable, but I think what we can see is a general trend for hot temps to be hotter and cold temps to be colder.</div>
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Arriving back at Helsingi and leaving the ferry among the heavy loads of booze carrying Finns, we even offered a ride to a Turkish couple we met as we were leaving our seats. They said their hotel was near the train station and not that far, so would walk. They must have been farseers, or their rejection was due to the Viking god of mischief who had planned to give us some more trouble because of the posts I would eventually write.<br />
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We found our car with no trouble, intact but with a piece of paper stuck at the windshield. Immediately I discarded the hope that it was an invitation to an erotic escapade as was our experience in Las Vegas some years ago. It was a parking fine for 60 Euros and did not provide free entry to any museums.<br />
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I figured we would have to pay the car rental agency and put the thought away, concentrating on my co-pilot's instructions, driving on the mostly empty streets, commenting that Trump and Putin must have scared everyone away from the outskirts of Helsinki or gathered them (forcefully) in central Helsinki. Little did we know!!!!!!<br />
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Five minutes of driving on almost empty streets, I saw a batch of red lights on a road ahead, wondering where they were going. Before I could tell Eser, her evil google directed me to line up behind the unmoving red lights which turned out to be stops of two lane of cars stretching to a curve about a quarter mile in the distance.<br />
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We were the last car after a set of traffic lights with new arrivals waiting back so as not to block the intersection. But a car or two somehow managed to leave th queue a few hundred yards ahead and we moved forward resulting in two cars blocking my rear escape route. We waited what seemed like thirty minutes or so at 9:30 PM on a route that lead to a parkway in abandoned Helsinki, Then, I decided to take the matter into my own hands, managed to make a u-turn over the tram tracks, managing to avoid various concrete hurdles the authorities had placed to block my way.</div>
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Thanks annhig, I am using all the tricks of the trade to draw more readers and may even be rewarded by some who give up their lurking profession.<br />
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raincitygirl.....on our first visit to Copenhagen we passed a drunk lying on the sidewalk. My husband said:<br />
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OC...Hope you don't give up on Scandinavia....Denmark and Sweden are MUCH more fun.<br />
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Gwendolynn that's funny...and true! I have told several single acquaintances they should make all haste to Copenhagen. And yes I think OC should try Denmark and Sweden also.</div>
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Gwendolynn and raincitygirl, You are right. I was in Copenhagen in 1974 as a young man on the prowl, four years before I married, and again in 1983, also alone on business. I cannot remark on the men but the girls were definitely noticed. In Summer 1967, during a French language course in Grenoble, France, I had a very young Swedish girl friend. Four years ago she found me on the web and now we communicate through Eser's FB and Google plus.</div>
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We checked the infamous google again, after driving half a mile or so in the reverse direction and realized it was obstinately leading us back to the traffic jam. So, I started taking vatious streets which looked promising as possible routes out of town but was sabotaged by all the water surrounding Helsinki and with most of it without any bridges.<br />
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We were famished by that time and I had to find a place open at 10:30 (still light) before Eser's cannibalistic archetypical instincts kicked in. The area we were driving had no restaurants or cafes that we could see and then suddenly an oasis appeared in the horizon: A MacDonalds, in all its glory. Double quarter pounder meals it was for both of us.<br />
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By the time we were finished, Trump and Putin protecting police who had missed out on all the traffic rule breakers had started going home, some stopping at Mac Donalds as evidence of the roads opening. Google worked fine now and although it sent us to the same street, this time around, there was barely any traffic on it. We were in our room in ten minutes.<br />
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This thread seems to have run its course/ So I will continue with embellishments and photos on my blog.<br />
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Here's a summary of last two days :<br />
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- The first hotel, sent a mail through <a class="skimlinks-unlinked" data-skim-creative="500005" data-skimwords-word="Booking.com" href="https://booking.com/" style="background-color: transparent; box-sizing: border-box; color: #323232; font-family: "Playfair+Display", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: inherit;" title="">Booking.com</a> that they would refund.<br />
- Porvoo was not very exciting and may have been left out especially because of the roadworks on the route which made it rather long. I think we would prefer Loja to Porvoo.<br />
- Came back to hotel and ate an indifferent dinner , so that Eser could swim some more and I could rest.<br />
- Tried to catch the sunset through the trees and over a lake or sea, but were too early and could not just hang around some fabulous private homes in the Espo area.<br />
- The area between the Hilton and the Radisson is more scenic than Porvoo and even the Nuuksio Park.<br />
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The final day was another 90 minute drive to Nuuksio Nature Park. We made some stops on the way. The drive was pleasant and very scenic after branching from the Turku motorway.<br />
We could not do even the two kilometer hike because of the heat, but did almost as much by doing the first few hundred meters of each path.<br />
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We paid $30 each to partake of the miserable food and drinks but comfortable seats at the Premium lounge at the airport. This turne to be a great idea because our flight was delayed over two hours because of storm over Istanbul.<br />
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There were mishaps that we could laugh off.<br />
There was more than we expected in terms of sights and drives.<br />
Staying at the Radisson at Espo was a great decision.<br />
Including Tallinn gave us an introduction to another totally different culture.<br />
We will never forget the Rock Church and its pianist.<br />
We think that the five nights and almost six days we did was worth it.<br />
Although 400 Euros above budget the total cost Euro 2,400, including Istanbul - Helsinki full economy return tickets, was reasonable.<br />
If we had stayed at first hotel and taken the Toyota Auris instead of the Range Rover, we would have been spot on budget.<br />
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For travelers from far East, Down Under and the Americas, it may be a better idea to add some more stays to such a trip, like St. Petersburg, Riga and similar, to justify the long and more costly flights.</div>
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Great report otherchelebi! I've never been to Finland and don't know anyone who has, so this was an eye opener!<br />
I have been to Norway (twice - staying in Bergen) and Stockholm and loved both trips. But one was in the fall and the other trip in the spring (both times we had cold weather). The cost to eat out was extremely expensive!</div>
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I have occasionally met some Finnish people but never been there, nor to anywhere in Scandanavia come to that. I kid myself that i would be able to understand [if not speak] Danish and Swedish because of all the scandi-dramas I watch but I know I'd never manage Finnish.<br />
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Here are a few more photographs for those interested in visiting outside Helsinki.<br />
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They are all from Nuuksio Nature park.<br />
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To truly understand Scandinavia, you have to watch the Norwegian comedy drama Hellfjord.<br />
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A 75 year Norwegian gent introduces his new girlfriend to the village. A 25 year old stunning blond.<br />
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there’s lots of trees in your photos. Was there anything else to see?</div>
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It was not only trees. We also saw fowl including some wild looking ones.<br />
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I just realized that I have posted no pictures of the fabulous Rock Church. So, here is one :<br />
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